Loomis on trading down interest

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-26-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Even if everyone knows we intend to draft D'Brick, I would figure we'd still have trade-up suitors, namely the Jets.

True, but those suitors would not be willing to offer as much if they know the hand we're holding.

I don't think anyone really knows the hand we're holding. Media types keep saying we're going to draft Mario Williams. I find this non-sensical because we already have two outstanding defensive ends. I'm not sure why we would want to get back to a 3 DE for two slots situation again.

Then there's the fact that Green Bay really really wants Hawk. We certainly could use a standout linebacker.

Then of course there is Ferguson. It would really be excellent for the team to have anchor tackles for the next dozen years.

I don't think the hand is clear. I do think that the #2 pick is really valuable, especially to the Jets because they want Lienard, and possibly to Green Bay because they don't want to lose Hawk.

SFIAH

BreesFN9 · 03-26-2006, 05:23 PM

Media types keep saying we're going to draft Mario Williams. I find this non-sensical because we already have two outstanding defensive ends. I'm not sure why we would want to get back to a 3 DE for two slots situation again.

Yeah, that scares me, With all the hole that we need to feel that we would blow the draft by doing something like this!

Then there's the fact that Green Bay really really wants Hawk. We certainly could use a standout linebacker.

YEAH WELL SO DO I!

One way or another I really hope we get Hawk! D'Brick would be great to but I'd prefer Hawk. D'brick with a 2 overall....Is that to early??

TheDeuce · 03-26-2006, 06:27 PM

If they don't trade up, they can kiss Leinart goodbye because Tennessee will take him at 3. I heard on ESPN we can get the Jets #4 and #29(aquired from ATL I think) for them to trade up....which gives us perfect value. It makes sense to both parties. D'Brick, Mangold, then a LB or DT with our second rounder.

This is hands down the best possible scenario for this team. Getting the #4 pick will allow us to draft Brick. There's one of our biggest holes filled. Mangold should be there at #29, so that would fill our biggest hole. And then one of this list:

D'Qwell Jackson
Abdul Hodge
Thomas Howard
maybe Bobby Carpenter

will be there with the #34 pick. That would solve another one of our biggest holes. Then the only other things we would need to address on our team would be a backup center, backup QB, CB, and a DT. That's really not that bad. This scenario would rock my freakin world. I would backflip out of my window (on the 2nd floor) if this happened.

But it's still early, and we're still the Saints....

spkb25 · 03-26-2006, 06:49 PM

if we can trade down and get three picks in the first 34 that is a thing of beauty

saintsrule · 03-27-2006, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by wheelman

He can attack free agency the way our division rivals are doing.

And how often has that actually worked for teams in the era of free agents? Face it, the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Jags, Bears, Seahawks, and Bengals are all teams that were built with the draft. They only use free agency as a supplement. And besides, I really don't think this team has as many glaring needs as other people like to believe.

Thanks for saying that the team does not have as many glaring needs as others think. I was beginning the believe I was the only one who thought that. First the coaches and FO determine what needs the team has, and what if anything they can do about them. Second I thought Haslett and the other coaches were suppose to have been the reason for no playoffs in a few years. If so then the players on the team are good, they just need better coaching. I hope they just do their best.

saintswhodi · 03-27-2006, 10:21 AM

I'm partially against any scenario that doesn't land us Hawk or Ngata. I love D'Brick and all, but drafting him will just lead to he or Brown leaving in a couple of years. Ts make WAY too much money for this team to have two stars at that position. Let's not forget, we could still have Roaf, but the team didn't wanna pay him, called him old, and got rid of him. They also thought Turley could do the job at LT. And I am not even gonna play the Joe slept with his wife rumor game. It was about money, and the team saving it. LeCharles gone? About money. But a LB who could be the next Urlacher? We aren't gonna let him ride anytime soon, cause there isn't anyone on the team they think could "do the job" better at that position. Gimme Hawk. and Ngata? A beast of a DT, something w ehaven't seen since Glover left. A dominating force to take a double team, and let Smith and Grant do their thing. For some reason, the way our defense has looked the last few years, I can't get worked up over D'Bick. We need better players on D NOW. I could live with Gandy for another year and see how Brees' intelligence improves our line a little bit by itself.

gandhi1007 · 03-27-2006, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I'm partially against any scenario that doesn't land us Hawk or Ngata. I love D'Brick and all, but drafting him will just lead to he or Brown leaving in a couple of years. Ts make WAY too much money for this team to have two stars at that position. Let's not forget, we could still have Roaf, but the team didn't wanna pay him, called him old, and got rid of him. They also thought Turley could do the job at LT. And I am not even gonna play the Joe slept with his wife rumor game. It was about money, and the team saving it. LeCharles gone? About money. But a LB who could be the next Urlacher? We aren't gonna let him ride anytime soon, cause there isn't anyone on the team they think could "do the job" better at that position. Gimme Hawk. and Ngata? A beast of a DT, something w ehaven't seen since Glover left. A dominating force to take a double team, and let Smith and Grant do their thing. For some reason, the way our defense has looked the last few years, I can't get worked up over D'Bick. We need better players on D NOW. I could live with Gandy for another year and see how Brees' intelligence improves our line a little bit by itself.

Good post whodi. I think there are alot of us who are drooling over A.J. Hawk right now. I will try to be more optimistic with this FO, but this complacency has me worried. I guess that would be the result of being a Saints fan for 30 years.

We will also have to work our way up to the lower part of the 1st round to get Mangold. I don't see him being there at #34.

TheDeuce · 03-27-2006, 10:36 AM

I agree with Hawk. I think he is a guy who is going to be a beast in the NFL. He's got a nasty mean streak and loves taking people's heads off. He takes great angles and has unbelievable speed for a LB. But I'm not sold on drafting Ngata. He's had some serious knee issues, which for a big man, isn't something you want to deal with. Also, I don't think he's worthy of a top 7 pick, which is probably where we'll end up if we do end up trading down. I see what you're saying about Brick and the money, but I think that if we did draft him, it would be Brown released in a few years.

BrooksMustGo · 03-27-2006, 10:37 AM

Hawk is nothing without Bobby Carpenter. He'll be just like Vilma and won't ever get off a block.

saintswhodi · 03-27-2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo

Hawk is nothing without Bobby Carpenter. He'll be just like Vilma and won't ever get off a block.

Even if that was true, i'd like to poll the number of fans who wouldn't take Jon Vilma right now to start at MLB. :P

And actually, Hawk was the leader of the OU defense, Carpenter said so himself. Carpenter is nothing without Hawk MUST be what you meant.

03-26-2006, 05:03 PM	#11
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Loomis on trading down interest Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Even if everyone knows we intend to draft D'Brick, I would figure we'd still have trade-up suitors, namely the Jets. True, but those suitors would not be willing to offer as much if they know the hand we're holding. I don't think anyone really knows the hand we're holding. Media types keep saying we're going to draft Mario Williams. I find this non-sensical because we already have two outstanding defensive ends. I'm not sure why we would want to get back to a 3 DE for two slots situation again. Then there's the fact that Green Bay really really wants Hawk. We certainly could use a standout linebacker. Then of course there is Ferguson. It would really be excellent for the team to have anchor tackles for the next dozen years. I don't think the hand is clear. I do think that the #2 pick is really valuable, especially to the Jets because they want Lienard, and possibly to Green Bay because they don't want to lose Hawk. SFIAH
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03-26-2006, 05:23 PM	#12
BreesFN9 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 596	Media types keep saying we're going to draft Mario Williams. I find this non-sensical because we already have two outstanding defensive ends. I'm not sure why we would want to get back to a 3 DE for two slots situation again. Yeah, that scares me, With all the hole that we need to feel that we would blow the draft by doing something like this! Then there's the fact that Green Bay really really wants Hawk. We certainly could use a standout linebacker. YEAH WELL SO DO I! One way or another I really hope we get Hawk! D'Brick would be great to but I'd prefer Hawk. D'brick with a 2 overall....Is that to early??

03-26-2006, 06:27 PM	#13
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	If they don't trade up, they can kiss Leinart goodbye because Tennessee will take him at 3. I heard on ESPN we can get the Jets #4 and #29(aquired from ATL I think) for them to trade up....which gives us perfect value. It makes sense to both parties. D'Brick, Mangold, then a LB or DT with our second rounder. This is hands down the best possible scenario for this team. Getting the #4 pick will allow us to draft Brick. There's one of our biggest holes filled. Mangold should be there at #29, so that would fill our biggest hole. And then one of this list: D'Qwell Jackson Abdul Hodge Thomas Howard maybe Bobby Carpenter will be there with the #34 pick. That would solve another one of our biggest holes. Then the only other things we would need to address on our team would be a backup center, backup QB, CB, and a DT. That's really not that bad. This scenario would rock my freakin world. I would backflip out of my window (on the 2nd floor) if this happened. But it's still early, and we're still the Saints....
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03-27-2006, 03:25 AM	#15
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	Re: RE: Re: Loomis on trading down interest Originally Posted by wheelman He can attack free agency the way our division rivals are doing. And how often has that actually worked for teams in the era of free agents? Face it, the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Jags, Bears, Seahawks, and Bengals are all teams that were built with the draft. They only use free agency as a supplement. And besides, I really don't think this team has as many glaring needs as other people like to believe. Thanks for saying that the team does not have as many glaring needs as others think. I was beginning the believe I was the only one who thought that. First the coaches and FO determine what needs the team has, and what if anything they can do about them. Second I thought Haslett and the other coaches were suppose to have been the reason for no playoffs in a few years. If so then the players on the team are good, they just need better coaching. I hope they just do their best.
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03-27-2006, 10:34 AM	#17
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by saintswhodi I'm partially against any scenario that doesn't land us Hawk or Ngata. I love D'Brick and all, but drafting him will just lead to he or Brown leaving in a couple of years. Ts make WAY too much money for this team to have two stars at that position. Let's not forget, we could still have Roaf, but the team didn't wanna pay him, called him old, and got rid of him. They also thought Turley could do the job at LT. And I am not even gonna play the Joe slept with his wife rumor game. It was about money, and the team saving it. LeCharles gone? About money. But a LB who could be the next Urlacher? We aren't gonna let him ride anytime soon, cause there isn't anyone on the team they think could "do the job" better at that position. Gimme Hawk. and Ngata? A beast of a DT, something w ehaven't seen since Glover left. A dominating force to take a double team, and let Smith and Grant do their thing. For some reason, the way our defense has looked the last few years, I can't get worked up over D'Bick. We need better players on D NOW. I could live with Gandy for another year and see how Brees' intelligence improves our line a little bit by itself. Good post whodi. I think there are alot of us who are drooling over A.J. Hawk right now. I will try to be more optimistic with this FO, but this complacency has me worried. I guess that would be the result of being a Saints fan for 30 years. We will also have to work our way up to the lower part of the 1st round to get Mangold. I don't see him being there at #34.

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03-26-2006, 06:49 PM	#14
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	if we can trade down and get three picks in the first 34 that is a thing of beauty

03-27-2006, 10:21 AM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I'm partially against any scenario that doesn't land us Hawk or Ngata. I love D'Brick and all, but drafting him will just lead to he or Brown leaving in a couple of years. Ts make WAY too much money for this team to have two stars at that position. Let's not forget, we could still have Roaf, but the team didn't wanna pay him, called him old, and got rid of him. They also thought Turley could do the job at LT. And I am not even gonna play the Joe slept with his wife rumor game. It was about money, and the team saving it. LeCharles gone? About money. But a LB who could be the next Urlacher? We aren't gonna let him ride anytime soon, cause there isn't anyone on the team they think could "do the job" better at that position. Gimme Hawk. and Ngata? A beast of a DT, something w ehaven't seen since Glover left. A dominating force to take a double team, and let Smith and Grant do their thing. For some reason, the way our defense has looked the last few years, I can't get worked up over D'Bick. We need better players on D NOW. I could live with Gandy for another year and see how Brees' intelligence improves our line a little bit by itself.

03-27-2006, 10:36 AM	#18
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	I agree with Hawk. I think he is a guy who is going to be a beast in the NFL. He's got a nasty mean streak and loves taking people's heads off. He takes great angles and has unbelievable speed for a LB. But I'm not sold on drafting Ngata. He's had some serious knee issues, which for a big man, isn't something you want to deal with. Also, I don't think he's worthy of a top 7 pick, which is probably where we'll end up if we do end up trading down. I see what you're saying about Brick and the money, but I think that if we did draft him, it would be Brown released in a few years.
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03-27-2006, 10:37 AM	#19
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Hawk is nothing without Bobby Carpenter. He'll be just like Vilma and won't ever get off a block.

03-27-2006, 10:41 AM	#20
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo Hawk is nothing without Bobby Carpenter. He'll be just like Vilma and won't ever get off a block. Even if that was true, i'd like to poll the number of fans who wouldn't take Jon Vilma right now to start at MLB. :P And actually, Hawk was the leader of the OU defense, Carpenter said so himself. Carpenter is nothing without Hawk MUST be what you meant.