Is anybody still hoping we still draft Lienart?
 

I would love to draft a lot of other players, but how do you pass on a guy that might be your franchise QB for years to come. We've done this before with Loomis, keeping 2 high priced players at RB and DE.

Are we so sure that Brees will be able to recover fully from his injury? If we can't trade the pick, will the front office draft the best player available? Lienart might be hard to resist.

Trading down and passing on Lienart may be the stupidest thing we will ever do, and that includes keeping Brooks for so long.

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I think we get Brick. I am confident Brees will last us until someone else comes along the way in about 5 to 7 years.

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Actually the buzz around all the QB's has quited down. I'd rather have Cutler I think Leinart is actually the one that will drop in the draft come Draft day. His pro day is comming up soon so I'm sure more rumors will be a flying

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If we don't trade down and Leinart is still on the board... take him.

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Someone will want Leinart so I don't think it is a question of do we trade down or not, it's only a matter of who and what do we get for the pick. Payton has stated we will sign a QB and I believe they will get an average backup, which is a helluva lot better than Bouwoman.

I cannot believe that so many would still make that pick. We won't invest another 60 million on a QB that would more than likely sit the bench.

I hope we get Brick....if there is any justice in being a Saints fan, we will

Brees is a good QB, I though SD was stupid to draft Rivers anyway. The draft when they got LT and Brees is still one of the best grifts I ever saw

In the end I actually think we will drop down to 4 and get Brick (jets get a QB) or 5 and get Hawk (GB gets Mario), but not 100% sure yet

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Kinda like when the Bengals already had Kitna who was performing well yet they still drafted Palmer and let him ride the pine for a year eh? 8) Definately will not be surprised if it happened and it's something I'm rooting for. Like so many have said before, though some have changed their stance on the matter, you cannot pass up on a franchise type quarterback. Take the best available player if you do not trade down and that player's name is Matt Leinart. In all seriousness... am I the only one that thinks Brees will only be here for one year?

The best availible player is Ferguson..and hopefully we get him...the only other great (note that I said great) 1st rounder we've made was Willie Roaf. The year we went to the playoffs, and won, we had him on one side, Turley on the other. Both SB teams this year had dominant O-lines. It makes perfect sense....which is why we may still take mario, dammit

Brees' contract is scary due to that 12 mill. bonusafter the first year, but it has a clause that allow it to be renegotiated over the life of the deal. so it isn't that bad. Lienart is the shiny new, expensive car you want with that big bonus you just got. Brees is the proven VW that is 4 years old, runs like a champ and isn't gonna stop for another 10 years...

The one you know you should get because it's a sure value bet.

Let me ask the people on this board a question...

Out of all the years he's been playing college football... how much of hiim have you actually seen? Please, do not include the combine workouts and the Senior Bowl... that's only a short and limited sample on the guy. I can bet you most of you haven't seen much of him besides that. By no means am I saying he wouldn't be a good pickup, but if you've seen what I've seen of him the past couple of years, you would definately say he's a little over rated... and I've seen a lot of him. I think the "potential" word has made people more enamored with him than his performance on the field. I'm pretty sure the VA guys on this board will admit he was far from dominant last season.

IMPORTANT QUESTION: Does anybody think it is strange that we have not signed a backup QB in FA? Could we trade down and pick up Cutler or Young?

This is from the sporting news war room, "It also appears that there is some long-term thinking going on in New Orleans. Recent rumblings are that the team might be leaning toward selecting quarterback Matt Leinart. With Drew Brees coming off shoulder surgery, the Saints are concerned about putting too much of a load on him in training camp. The team would give Leinart plenty of reps in camp and preseason games, then let him learn for a year while watching from the sideline. That tells us the Saints are willing to be patient and develop a franchise QB. "

ANOTHER INTERESTING THOUGHT.... maybe we haven't signed a backup QB so people will think that we may still draft Lienart. This might keep people guessing.

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I agree with taking the BPA in most cases, however, I don't think Leinart is that guy. I probably wouldn't even put him in the top 5. If I were forced to pick a QB at that spot, it would probably be Cutler. I feel that drafting any player is a gamble, but even more so for the QB position, because of everything you ask him to do. There are more things that can go wrong. A perfect example of that would be AB. The guy has more talent in his finger than a lot of people, but who knew he was going to come with all these mental quirks?

Getting back to Cutler...he, IMO, is very similar to Eli in that he took a horrible team and made them somewhat repectable. If I'm gambling, I have to look for anything that might give me an edge. In the case of Leinart, you look at the fact that the #1 draft pick, most likely, will be his teammate, Bush. This makes me wonder if Leinart succeeded by his merit alone, or if one or probably more people had a lot to do with his success. Taking it one step further, Cutler succeeded enough to throw him somewhere in the first round based mostly on his ability alone, even though you know that when people played Vandy that they said, "If you beat us, you are going to have to run on us, because you are not going to pass!" Defenses didn't know who the hell to defend when they played USC, which had to make it easier to play the QB position.

Can't he did not work out at either

[quote="FanNJ"]I'm sorry you missed it but try www.google.com or nfl.com. Don't be surprised.

If it is a choice between AMac and Lienart, Lienart in a heartbeat as he has vastly more experience in all aspects.

If it is a choice between Lienart and any of the remaining FA qb's out there as backup, Lienart because all of them have proven either too incompetent or too feeble.

If it is a choice between Lienart and Cutler or Young, that might be a tough call. Lienart is less risky than the other two, but may have less upside.

I would take Lienart just to mess with people who think they will get him anyway.

am I the only one that thinks Brees will only be here for one year?

that's a tough one papz..........let me ask you this.........what if payton likes what he sees in amac?
maybe amac is the future qb of the saints..........in which case, your question.........
how long to develope amac? smitty

As long as it will take to develop Vince Young... probably another 2 years IMO. I like Amac don't get me wrong... but I think we're all looking for a cinderella type story with him. It's like me and my support of Chase Lyman. I know he's probably never going to make any type of impact on this team but I can't stop rooting for him because I know he's talented.

Well if BPA is the route to go it certainly isn't Leinart. There isn't even an overall consensus that he's the best QB in the draft...how can he possibly be BPA?

Oh and I'm an LSU fan so I personally HAVE seen Cutler a couple times.

BPA in the draft is Reggie Bush. If he's there we pick him. If he's not the D'Brick is the next BPA. He's in such an elite class that no one here can even name the second rated tackle prospect after him. As far as the lack of a backup QB that doesn't need to be addressed until the summer at the latest. Leinart would be nice to have but we stand to gain a lot by trading that pick to a team like the Jets. An adequate backup can be had at any time. In addition to that we still have AMac.

How can you say its certainly not Leinart? No one knows that... it may or may not be. Next to Bush in my opinion, it's Leinart... same with you and D'Brick.

What does being an LSU fan and seeing Cutler play have to do with anything? Because if you are implying you were impressed with him by seeing him play against us, you've got to be on something. Check out the links underneath.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=252810238
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243040099

Umm... Winston Justice?

papz, just that one yr sitting on the bench with amac as well as chase, quite a valuable lesson, would'nt you say? i'd go with anyone who sat on the bench for a yr over a rookie, unless they show they can light it up from the start........
as far as cinderella story, happens all the time...............smitty

You got a point there. I can see it now... Amac throws a 70 yard bomb down field to Chase Lyman.

8)

would it matter if bree's threw it? lol smitty

Well I was just trying to keep that Amac as the future franchise quarterback dream alive for some people... I'd definately take that Brees to Lyman. :P

Winston Justice, OT, USC who by the way has already played in a pro style offense.
Eric Winston, OT, Miami
Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn

These are the guys who will probably land in the first, early second rounds. I would say D'Brick has some very good company and that's why I've said from day one we need a leader on defense and Hawk is the man, period!

Whoa calm down there son. I didn't "imply" anything other than the fact that i've seen the kid play in rebuttal to your claim that no one on here has seen him play but you, the Cutler expert.

And besides, all of this is speculation. Do I truly know who is the best player in the draft. No...and neither do you. However I do know that I've seen NO analyst or draft expert say that Leinart is the best player in the draft. I think BPA in the draft signifies the most surefire pick in the draft, and Bush and D'Brick have been the ones that have recieved those praises. If you think Leinart is the best player in the draft, more power to you. There's no way I would personally take him over one of the best talents of the past 10 years in Bush and the best rated tackle to come out since Walter Jones. "Franchise" QBs come along every year it seems like. Next year Brady Quinn will be the guy we "can't pass up".

Missing my main point, I wasn't challenging anyone to name the other tackles in the first round. I was challenging anyone to name ONE tackle in this draft that is close to being as dominant as D'Brick. He had tremendous preseason hype and totally has lived up to it. His only knock is that he needs to gain a little more weight. There is a huge dropoff from D'Brick to Justice.

And does anyone realize if this draft didn't have Reggie Bush that D'Brick would be the #1 overall pick without a doubt? And there is talk that he actually STILL may go #1. We can possibly get him at #4....kind of a steal.

If Leinart is there at 2 and Bush is off the board I'd take him. I don't know about Brees' shoulder and I think Leinart is going to be a great player. If we can trade down, then thats what I'm in favor of, but if we cannot trade down I like Leinart. I also would like to say that in many other drafts in years past Leinart would be the top choice hands down. I think between Bush, Leinart, Brick and maybe Young, you have 4 guys who many consider to be #1 picks. Probably all 4 would have gone #1 last year.

Son? What the? Look genius... before you open your mouth, learn how to read. Scroll back page one and read it over. Then you would realize that I was talking about Ferguson. How do you feel now? I would have thought the "ask the VA guys" would have dropped a hint.

Read above post... didn't I just say that?

I didn't say he was the best player in the draft... Bush is in my opinion. So who are you debating with?

One's that received the most praises. You know what that sounds like... a guy who reads a bunch of articles and follows all the hype but in actuality, knows absolutely nothing about the player. Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Lawerence Phillips, Mike Williams (the tackle), Eugene Chung, etc. received a lot of praises... and where are they now? Robert Gallery was suppose to be the next superstar LT, he's not even playing that position anymore. Give me a break. You say "franchise" QBs come along ever year, so does "franchise left tackles".

See at worst, I see us finishing 8-8 next year. Have a little faith buddy.

Preseason hype is exactly what it was and during the collegiate season, he did not live up to it. How are you so sure that there's such a HUGE dropoff from D'Brick to Justice? Both are good and judging from last year's performance, Justice was the more consistent of the two. Brick might be more talented and athletic, but Justice is solid in his own right.

it's alive with me, and i believe lyman will come back.........hope he don't get injured though.
you just may see that bomb to him..............smitty