Jamaal Brown to Left Tackle, Smith to CB and Stinchcomb coming back at RT. Hawk is definitely in our future now.

I hope your right, Cher. :D

point is simple we either liked or complained about our o line. if you are one that complained then you should like that we are making moves to change that evn if those moves currently are just us getting rid of guys. if you liked our o line last year then you hate the moves. i just assume that sean knows what he is doing and if he is getting rid of these guys there must be a reason. he must want changes too. he must see some opportunity that allows for these changes to be made

Good point spk, we don't exactly know what Payton has up his sleeve, although I don't see how you can doubt him considering what he's done so far, so until the end of the offseason, I don't think that we should be getting too bent out of shape. For years people have been calling for Gandy to take a hike, and for the rest of them to leave too because they hold and false start more than a lot of other linemen, and now it's happening. Granted, I wished we could've kept Bentley (but his price was WAYYYYY too high for an OC), but I think that this might be a youth movement for our OLine.

When will we know of the pick?

I'd say yes to everything but Stinchcomb and Hawk. Stinchcomb is the biggest question mark on this team and I have a huge problem with even the possibility of him starting. He has proven nothing. And as for Hawk if we trade down to 4 I say possibly take him but I think if we stay at two we have to take D'Brick.

In any event it was good news when i heard we were getting rid of the walking false start known as Wayne Gandy.

If we are going to build this team we need to do it one "BRICK" at a time, LMFAO...

All in all is he just another "Brick" in the wall? Will we paint him and follow the "yellow brick road"? Will the Commodores reunite for another performance of "Brickhouse"?

I understand everyone's curiosity of trading Gandy for Scott and a pick, but at least we didn't let him go with nothing in return. This has been one of our biggest beefs with the Saints front office over the years, but now they actually made a smart move. Gandy was history anyways, but now we have depth at safety and now Smith can move to corner as many have said. We could have one of the best corner tandems in the NFL with Smith and McKenzie. I wouldn't get overexcited about A.J. Hawk being the man they draft. Saying they are moving Brown to LT seems like a HUGE smokescreen to me. Everyone here knows how general managers and coaches play this time of year. They are all trying to one-up the other. I'm not fooled by this move. I seriously think that Brick will be drafted.

Exactly. The Saints are just playing that same game that all other teams play in the draft game, trying to drum up interest for that #2 pick. If they stay at #2, it's D'Brick or Mario Williams(as much as i would dislike the latter pick).

Now that we have freed up some money by trading Gandy, can we please show LaVar Arrington the money?

Kenny Wilkson said somwthing to the effect that getting rid of Gandy was almost as big as getting rid of AB. that he had a big ego and was trouble in the locker room, not to mention that he refused to help with salary cap by redoing his contract last year. Him going means less penalties on the O-line. A box of jock straps would have been a good swap.

I love this trade. I don't care what kind of safety Scott is or turns out to be. Getting rid of Gandy and his salary is worth it. Gandy has not been worth the money we were paying since he got here. If Stinch is anywhere close to where he was before he got hurt, I can't say that is a big loss in terms of production and we gain oh so much in cap space.

I also like the potential of moving Brown to LT - assuming he can do it. Just becaise Roaf succeeded in moving doesn't mean this guy will (see Turley). We need another good lineman so if we took D'brick at #2, I wouldn't be too upset. I'm just really starting to doubt the trade opportunity is going to unfold (for value) and would much prefer taking a O-lineman, whose position is much less risky than picking a LB.

You gotta love the moves. They're not earth shattering by any means, but they certainly are interesting.

Ha Arrington isn't thinking about coming here. Like it or not guys we are pretty low on the list of teams for top free agents in the league, if we even make a lot of players' lists. We ALMOST didn't get Drew Brees. In addition to that, no way is our FO going to overpay to get him, which is what it would take to get him. We'd have to significantly surpass the figures that other teams have offered him to have a shot. I don't think it's worth it.

We aren't the "Arrington" type of team. The perfect team for Arrington is Washington, because that's the one team that has no problem giving him the kind of jack that he's asking for. Too bad for him he didn't realize that.

Considering that the franchise tender at LB for '06 is about $7.1 mil, it's reasonable to assume that we'd have to offer Arrington at least $9 or $10 mil a year for him to come here. Not worth it.

The deal will be officially done tomorrow, so I imagine we'll here then.

Are we still on this? Not only does he not want to come here, but he's asking for more money than the teams he actually wants to go to are willing to pay. He's asking for Julian Peterson money (7 years, 54 mil). It's just too much money, and he's not coming down.

Thats right duce. way to much money, This years draft is deep in OT at least toll the end off the second or the middle of the third. Sound like the LB, DE, DT. The impact players are Bush, Davis, DBrick, and AJ. I did not make a mistake leaving a QB and DT out of the group. The rest all have a major ? or two surrronding them. So any of the 4 I would take in a heart beat and give them the big bucks of being a top 10 player in the draft. As for OT i will say it again I like these two later in the draft if we do not get DBrick.
LOT Daryn Colledge SR 6-5.5/309/- Boise State
ROT Jeremy Trueblood SR 6-9/295/- Boston College
Attitude is the mark of a winner. (ie. Roaf/Turley)

Why is it that every time you mention LaVar Arrington's name, certain people cringe? 1st of all, we need a shut down LB the likes of which we haven't seen in black & gold for some time. LaVar is that type of guy. The guy has unbelievable work ethic, speed, strength, & awareness. Then you guys come with the sour grapes stuff like "he doesn't want to play here" & "he wants Julian Peterson money". LaVar has already gave the finger to the Giants & Bengals for nickle & diming him. :? The man said the other day that he would entertain any team that made him a respectable offer. Offer the man something respectable & we've got a chance. If it doesn't work, fine, at least we tried. And for the record, Arrington is better than Julian Peterson anyday, so if it's Peterson money he wants, give it to him.

Wait a minute now, don't go putting stuff on the record. That stuff has a tendency to come back and bite you. lol

i saw on espn or nfl.com that he wants 9 mil and the other teams are not willing to pay and that is why he hasn't signed. screw that. we can get two players for that type of money. 9 mil is ridiculous. hye lavar get your head out yo asssss. if he was so special why was he sitting the bench for part of the year last year.

I know. My luck LaVar will get hit by an ice cream truck & everyone will be saying "Aren't you glad we didn't get Arrington?" :lol: LOL

You guys think that Gandy is actually going to start for the Falcons?
If so, how do you like that Smith/Grant-Gandy match ??? :twisted:

Ha oh really? He's already asking for $9 mil from teams he WANTS to go to. That means we'd prolly have to offer him in the neighborhood of $11 to 12 mil a year for him to consider us. Those are ridiculous numbers. No way should he be making as more than our QB who we just broke the bank on. $12 mil a year...that's not practical, even for an NFL franchise.

Just by age difference alone this trade is not that bad. I'm sure with some grooming and what not he can be very effective cover man and he already has a nack for some big hits. Our defensive backfield is shaping up little by little.

I think he'll start for the simple fact that Atlanta doesn't have much depth at the position, but will he get beat alot? Yep, all you have to do is look at last year's footage to figure that out. Good pass rushers gave him fits.

I still want to know what the conditional pick from the Falcons is. If it's performance based & Gandy has a good year, we may have gotten a great trade.

I think Gandy will start. They lost Shaeffer, their old starter, already, and Gandy is the first OT they've picked up, so....

The only problem I had with the Julian Peterson type money was someone paying it to Julian Peterson. Arrington is twice the player Peterson is and stands a FAR better chance of actually playing 16 games.

The tiny fact that Arrington hasn't signed anywhere yet has everything to do with money and nothing to do with location or division. He's going to have to lower his asking price at some point since he can't get any takers since before the start of free agency. I'm all in favor of overbidding the highest team he's been talking to and see what happens.

At the very least, we need to ask and give him the chance to turn us down.

Be careful BMG, I said the exact same thing in an earlier post & the haters came out in full force! :D

Hating this...hating that. People overuse that "hating" term. Also....people are confusing "hating" with dissent. Just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view, they're automatically branded as "haters".

This guy is asking for $9 mil a year. It's safe to say that it'd cost more than that to get him here. No one is debating that he's a good LB. That's just too much jack for a LB especially when we may be getting A.J. Hawk in the draft(not that i'm necessarily in favor of that either).

Apparently the Saints wouldn't even pay him close to the $9 mil he's asking for since they aren't amongst the listed suitors for his services. Why do we need to fly him all the way down here just so he can tell us "no" to an offer of 7 mil a year??

Sign here D'Brick >>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------- <<<<<<<<<<

wqouldn't mind dbrick. you can't argue with two first round tackles as long as they can play in the nfl. i thought brown did real well for us last year as a rookie. if we could get the same from dbrick i would love it

I like the move to get rid of the cap hit from Gandy. He wasn't bad, but he sure was getting old. I don't know if Scott is going to start. I think he is an upgrade over Gleason (though Gleason is the ST Ace). As far as Arrington.....I'd be all for getting the guy, but he is getting a little dinged up and doesn't he want to play for a team running a 3-4 Defense?

Esplane it to me agin, looosey, how does letting go an All-Pro and two other starters without signing any FA's help solidify and stabilize the O-Line - right, draft a couple of rookies who've never lined up against the likes of Dwight Freeney or Julius Peppers? If I were Drew Brees, I'd be slowing down that "I'm ahead of schedule on rehab" talk. Let whatever Bozo FA is stupid enough to bear the brunt of the inevitable sieve that will be the Saints' 2006 O-Line. This is going to be a VERY long season.