I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?Does the 20.5 over the two years prior do anything for you? If not, you might want House to shock you to life with some of those electric paddles. In 2004, he was also one of our team leaders in tackles. Ask a serious question next time, K?

Actually, 20.5 sacks does mean anything to me in 2 proir years because our defense still sucked and he never did anything last year. You honestly think Grant is a top 10 DE? If so, you are going to pay him to 10 money which Charles Grant clearly doesn't deserve. You can't say he was double teamed because Howard and Smith got the bulk of that.

Reggie White had some good prior years too. Is he available?

see and that is where i disagre. i think that grant got the bulk of double teams last year. that is why he had the low numbers. all you have to do is think of clyde simmons

Ever watch a Saints game? Grant was the most doubled player on our D last year. That statement let me know pretty much all I need to., Thanks.

Absolutely correct, and shows who watched the team and who obviously did not.

Yes, I watched the games and I didn't Grant getting double teamed very often. Besides, the best are supposed to beat double teams anyways. If he can't then get someone that will. I guess he's better then Smith and Howard. You know, I believe Sullivan got the bulk of the double teams and thats why he plays so poorly

Doesn't matter what you believe, only matters what actually happened. Grant was double teamed OFTEN. He also had to play DT in passing situations, which he is nowhere near suited for. The point remains, you obviously didn't watch many games if you didn't see Grant taking doubles, and your last statement I won't take as sarcasm, but just another example of me learning who I am talking to. Once again, all I need to know. Thanks.

At this point I want to see us deal Grant just to watch WhoDi's head explode....

Is that what you watch the games for? To see who gets double the most? Do you really believe Grant is that good? Are you willing to pay him that money? So, basically you are saying 2.5 sacks is acceptable and you are willing to be ok with this as long as it is Grant who gets double teamed. Also, it was Howard who played the majority at DT on passing situations.

Ok I wouldnt mind that trade so we would get Javon and the would get Grant I like Charles Grant but Mario Williams is suppose to be the next julius peppers that too me sounds alright !! Will smith and Mario Willaims DEs Joe,Javon,Donte Wrs holy smokes !!

Let's not forget The Iron Man, Chase Lyman.

A) At what point did I say Grant played the majority of the time at DT in passing situations. I just said he played there and wasn't suited for it. Oops.

B) What money are you talking about for Grant? Has he made a contract demand? Are he and the team in negotiations on a new deal? What? Why is that even a part of your already poor argument?

C) Grant is one of my favorite players, so you are damn right I watch to see what he's doing. I also replay games a second time, and I went to three live last season. You obviously saw zero games. Kudos to you.

D) I do believe Grant is very good. If a player can't have a down year, on a 3-13 team, where he was the only defender teams were worried about until LATE in the season when they started waking up to Will, after a hurricane that destroyed the city and forced the entire team to endure things no other NFL franchise in history had to, then we should just cut everybody and build a roster from 0 to 53 with none of the current players right? Good call. :roll:

My head wouldn't explode, but only a fool would say Grant isn't a good player. No shortage of those I guess. :?

I'm a big Charles Grant fan, also. I really like his play. He's giving it his all on every down. If we were going to acquire Jevon Walker, I'd rather it be in a trade down with the Packers with our 1st round pick for theirs, Walker, and a 3rd.

Oh but of course how could I forget our Right Hand Man Chase Lyman......



and Grant is a good player and he does not suck..... he is a very good player im just saying if we got Walker in a trade with Grant i wouldnt think it was a stupid trade............

And how often was he at DT on passing situations? Roll your little film tape out and count one by one if you like.

You don't think Grant is going to ask for top 10 money? Which averages about 5 mil a year and going up
Sorry, I wasnt able to go to too many games, some people got destoyed with the saints by Katrina, but I did watch them and tell me how many time did he scratch his pecans during the games?

Didn't Grant speak out against AB on the plane ride last season? That's MORE than enough reason to deal him right there.

I like that idea better, Javon for Grant doesnt help us much.....we need to get something out of this.....but i think a 2nd would be more equal than a 3rd....yea, i like a 2nd more

I'll keep Grant. The young man has the talent. A little coaching will do wonders for him. All things equal, I think that he brings more to the table as DE than Walker would bring at WR.

This could be. We should re-sign Grant to a long term deal now. We could deal W. Smith and get Walker instead?

Hells no SMith aint goin anywhere......lets keep them both, trade down, draft Hawk, pick up an extra 2nd, get Mangold, then get Wroten or McNeil out of Auburn and go BPA and depth rest of the draft./....sound like a plan anyone????

A couple of spots of wisdom have been added to this thread. Finally some people who actually saw the team play for 16 games speak up and not someone who read nfl.com stats and started talking out their arse. I like this idea. More than you would ever know.

Grant is a good player, you have to leave trolls to believe whattver they like. My bad ya'll. i'll stop feeding the trolls. :wink:

LOL Whodi.

bad ass, so we agree......so this is the plan.......somebody call Benson and Sean and let them know what we decided to do..........

I've got them set on speed dial on my cell, 1313

I say keep grant he is a top 10 DE in the league. Ok so last years numbers were not great but he was the one getting all the double teams last year. Besides we will most likely take a DT on the first day of the draft and maybe a good DT will take some preasure off of him

Wow, this thread really took off when I wasn't looking. Here's my thoughts:

1. Grant is probably the most well-rounded DE on the team. Yes, Will Smith is unbelievable in pass rushing situations, but nobody on our team plays the run like Charles Grant. Two years ago, when he got shafted out of the Pro Bowl, he had the most tackles of any DE in the league.
2. Yes, Grant had a bad year, but that's only by the sacks standard. Besides the low sack total, I think that overall he played pretty well. He was playing on an awful team with only one true DT and third-string LBs. He received the majority of double teams, and was still able to fight through a bunch of them to rack up 62 tackles, which by the way was 2 more than Will Smith.
3. The guy brings more than just good run-stopping ability and an impressive pass rush (see 2004 a la 10.5 sacks); he also brings a huge energy boost to a boring defense. He's always out there pumping up the crowd and his teammates. He has a very good motor and never seems to give up on plays. He's also a good player in the locker room from what I hear (HE CALLED OUT AB!!!!!!!).
4. Javon Walker is good, yes. Anybody who thinks otherwise is just foolish. Yes he's just a one-hit wonder now, but the guy does have talent. However, that being said, there's no way in hell he's worthy of being traded straight up for Charles Grant. If Eric Moulds goes for a 5th rounder, than there's no way Walker should be going for a guy who is worth a first-round pick. I would most definitely pass on this trade. Like timay said so intelligently before, if we trade Grant and get Walker, we'd just be opening up a new hole on our team while not acquiring any more help to fill the ones we'd already had.

P.s.- in case anybody is wondering, ESPN.com in association with Scouts, Inc. has Charles Grant listed as the 7th best DE in the NFL.

HMM? I wonder if it would........

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....We now return to our regularly scheduled post.

....we'll see.

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Well played sir. Well played. All things I have tried to point out to people before about Grant. But even I didn't know about the ESPN rating. Well done. :clap:

I'll second that. He is the leader of our defense. And this year should be better than last being a contract year and actually playing at Home.

Very true. I would love to keep Smit hand Grant, and find a #3 WR in FA our later round pick. I actually wouldn't mind Saintsfans veiw on the draft, as long as we get a Top 5 OT from this years draft..... even if its not Birck :roll:

Whodi, I love it when you crush the infidels.

Fine, Charles Grant is the best DE on this team. Let's deal Will Smith and get Super Mario.

Joking I am assuming

Lord I hope so.

more and more i like the idea of drafting hawk....either with our 2nd overall or trading down a spot or 2. anymore than that and we most likely wont get him.

hawk, mckinnon, simmons that is a good LB core and we have good depth behind them.

We dont have McKinnion do we?