Charles Grant Trade
 

this rumor tossed out tonight on Sports Extra Live on BizRadio 990am...

Grant to Green Bay for Javon Walker

whew :saintsfan:

Would that be rumor or speculation?
2 different things...

pull that trigger

yeah, let's load up on skill players who spent or will spend significant time on IR. Truly inspired.

I just read the recaps of the show. It seems the new regime wants no part of letting players go away for no compensation. reported that we could have had Corey Simon or Eagles #31 last year for Howard and said no. I can see the reasoning if Grant isn't in your long term plans.

More scuttlebutt about locker room attitudes also. Mackenzie can stick on performance if he can conform to Payton's approach. Horn??? Maybe not.

Now THAT would be da bomb trade to me... send Joe to GB to be with his old bud McCarthy for Walker that doesnt wanna be there.

I hope Grant stays and we draft Hawk or Brick. Charles does too many things well just to be let go for an unproven, season-ending injury Javon Walker.

I'm with you. Giving up a good player to get an elite player is a no brainer to me.

thank you. it's good to see some logic from time to time. some of you overrate Grant just a tad.

I would make the trade. Grant is good but lets be real the guy is not a elite DE, and never will be.

He is well above average. do not blame him for haz calls of last year. run blitz was #1 call. Last year we broke our streak for having at least , I forgot the #, sacks per year. We were in the top 5 of the NFL till haz blew that with cutting players and play calling caught up with him. Blame the coaching.
As for the swap I say no. swap out of 4 let GB have Mario and we get Javon Walker and throw in Henderson maybe Donte in exchange for there #3.

Maybe some have over-rated Grant's abilities, but I wasn't all that enamored with Walker before his injury. Now? How many offensive staters do we need coming off of major injuries? Regardless, I just don't know that even without his injuries that we take Walker and put him in the mix with Horn, Stallworth and Henderson when we know we have a good DE in Grant. ("Good" is not an over-rating.)

He is good, but we ought to balance his goodness. He's a good to very good pass rusher when he's playing well. He's average against the run.

if we trade grant for walker, we need a draft pick too, and i think that shows everyone we are takin super mario

Um, didn't he have like 78 tackles year before last? That is a HUGE number for a DE. I think some of ya'll underappreciate a guy who the two seasons prior to last year, had over 20 sacks, was the tackle leader on the defensive line, and beat out most of our LBs, and was asked to play DT on passing downs this season with NO space eater next to him, as well as facing constant double teams. Give me a break.

Also, maybe I remembe wrong but it seems like Walker has had only one good year in his career and he immediately began hold out talk and such. One elite year does not make him an elite player. I'd still rather have Grant.

pull the trigger on that deal, Javon for Grant as long as we dont lose a draft pick if we give up one but get one back I'm ok with it

Yeah, pull the trigger, shoot yourself in the foot. Stupid trade, a healthy, very good player for a petulant, severely injured one year wonder.

Please tell me what Walker brings to this team. He was not the second comming of Stearling Sharpe in Green Bay.

Grant is by no means lazy and is a very solid Defensive end. He plays with emotion is always around the ball and follows plays. Watch some game film and you'll see that.

This is an idiotic trade. Walker is no better than Stallworth, and Donte knows the sytem and is faster NO way on this trade

I'd say go for the trade. I'd take Walker in heartbeat and draft williams. Our recievers would upgrade and so will our D-line.

Offensively, Horn gets the bulk of the double teams as did Walker for one year and was solid the year before that which was only his second year. With Horn, Walker, and Stallworth you can't name a better recieve corps than that. Walker is also big and physical and could get YAC. Yeah, he got injured. So, did Horn Stallworth, Brees, McAllister, Bennett and just about every tight end we have. One injury doesn't make a man injury prone.

Defensively, we would upgrade by getting Williams, a freak such as Peppers. With Williams and Smith, we would have one of the best DE tandems in the league. Sounds good to me.

So, how many sacks does Williams have next year, since you are able to see in the future? It was also said Kijana Carter was the next Eric Dickerson. We don't know what Williams is cause he hasn't played a down. He was also at best, average the two years prior to this last one. No way I throw Grant away for that.

Like that avatar WhoDi.

I spent my lunch peering into the future and discerned that Williams will have 21 sacks next year.

I'm not sure that anyone is talking about throwing Grant away. (Or at least I'm not) If we take Williams, then we must get value for Grant. We cannot keep Grant on the roster entering a contract year if we take Williams. I'm not totally in love with Williams unless we get stuck at #2. At #2 Williams is probably the BPA (certainly open to debate, just my take).

At any rate, it doesn't seem crazy to me to get either a quality player or a 1st or 2nd round pick in exchange for Grant who can be a productive pass rusher.

.02 and the 21 sacks really impressed me.

So, you must be a psychic then. How many sacks will Grant have next year? Your guess is as good as mine. You can sit the and say so and so is the next coming of who ever you want to choose. Charles Grant has been average at best.

This trade doesn't make sense to me. By doing this trade we create another need on our team (DE) while not filling another (we don't need anymore wr's). Sure, Walker would be an upgrade at wr and Mario has so much upside, but lets just say we do this trade and take Mario at 2, we still have the same holes to fill and now we have to wait to the 2nd round to fill them. Grant/Smith is one of the better DE combos in the league, why create another hole on our team? Look to trade down with the jets, get their 2 first rounders and another pick in the middle of the draft and fill our needs on the o-line, dt, lb, and at corner.

it would just be dumb to thing mario would do any better the grant at de, this kids hasn't played a down in the nfl and he is already the next julis peppers, rather have a sloid already battle tested de then so a risking kid coming out of a weak football conference

Walker an elite player? Come on now that's a stretch... he had one good year and spent the year after that on IR. Pass.

While I'm not in favor of Grant for Walker, hypothetically speaking, if Mario was our guy, I would say deal Grant. The trade I came up with was Grant and #2 to the Jets for their 2 first rounders, their 2nd round pick (more realistically their 3rd rounder), and the Jets first rounder next year. I don't know if the Jets would do this but what to you guys think? Note: Remember this is assuming our FO is stuck on Mario, I'm personally in favor of keeping Grant and Smith at DE and trading down for Hawk or Brick.

Deja Vu all over again as the saying goes....

We don't know what the team has in store for Grant. However if they don't see him in the team's future next year, then it would behoove us to get something for him and learn from the Howard debacle. Howard was basically ineffective for this year we had him franchised and didn't want to be here. If they are getting this same vibe from Grant, then pull the trigger no doubt. Walker may or may not be a stud, but he's far better than letting someone walk for nothing again.

why trade a proven top 10 DE for anything less than someone of equal caliber. Walker certainly isn't a top 10 receiver, and Williams will take time to develop. I'm with everyone that thinks this is a profoundly stupid idea.

Not to mention Walker wants a big fat contract extension... that's okay get it somewhere else.

This is the deja vu part. Same people were saying the same thing about Howard last year...how is was a proven top 10 DE and how it woulda been stupid to trade him for the Eagles draft pick, yet letting him walk for absolutely no compensation this year somehow was a better idea. Yep i get your logic. :roll:

I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?

Who said that? I was ALL for trading Howard last year. I was one of the biggest pushers. Here's the difference though. When people wanted to trade Howard, we had Grant AND Smith, who the majority felt were better. If we tarde Grant, we just have Smith. Not quite the same.

It's not exactly the same, and all of this is pure speculation anyway. However if the team knows that Grant wont be in their plans in the future it makes sense to get SOMETHING for him, regardless of what DEs we have on the roster.

Obviously there are many pros and cons. If you are willing to pay Grant 5 mil./yr then keep him. Is he worth 5 mil? Absolutely not. Walker is not an elite wr. I feel he was on his way until he got hurt. I guarantee you, that last year (if you plyed FF) that you had him as a top 10 wr if not top six. He played in every game but one, up until last year.

They both suck ass, it really doesn't matter to me. Trade Grant for a punter then tell Walker eat our ass. We dont need either one.

[/quote]I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?[quote]

Yes, I see the difference. Well, 2.5 sacks last year doesn't really intrigue me. I think Williams can come in and get that. You can point to every proven player in the draft and say how unproven they are. Bush, Brick, Hawk, Williams and every other person coming to the draft in the future is unproven. So why don't we trade all our picks for proven players?

I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?Good point Boogro. Cant get any worse than last year.

... I prefer syrup...

But seriously, folks... I don't see the infatuation with Walker either... another over-hyped 1-year wonder... guess coming from Green Bay... If I wanted a receiver, I would've gone for Moulds.. The Texans got him for a 5th...

Good Point. Moulds would have been a good addition. I am still shaky about our wr's though. Past Horn and Stallworth we have nothing. Any decent FA'S or players on the block left?