Why be a slave to the Jets or Titans?

stockman311 · 04-19-2006, 02:44 PM

I haven't heard anyone mention this so if they have I apologize. If the Jets and Titans refuse to deal, why can't we deal with the Packers at 5? They need huge help on "D". Who's the top rated D player in this draft carrying a similar grade as Reggie Bush? Mario Williams. We trade down to 5 get more picks than we would by trading to either 2 or 3, the Packers then select Williams, the Titans would then take Leinart, the Jets would then take Young, and we are left with either Hawk or Ferguson. Even if the Jets take Ferguson and pass on Young that still leaves us with Hawk at a good value of the #5 pick.

whodatsaintsfan26 · 04-19-2006, 02:51 PM

I dont think they are set on trading with the jets or titans in particular. They are listening to all offers im sure. If its the Packers than its the packers. There is enough talent in the top of the draft that the saints need to fill holes, that it doesnt matter whether they pick 2 or 5. We are defenitaly not slaves to anyone with the postion we sit in.

JimBone · 04-19-2006, 02:55 PM

No, we are definitely not slaves to anyone, but the fact is..we kind of need them and maybe more than they need us. Sure, the Saints CAN draft Williams or Ferguson or even Hawk at 2...but they would love to be able to move down and still get their guy later in the draft while stocking up on a couple of picks. If we move down anywhere from 3 to 7 and come away with one of the guys i mentioned or even Michael Huff, we did good considering we got someone who can play right away and we got a few extra picks out of it to help out in other areas.

TheDeuce · 04-19-2006, 03:10 PM

Green Bay isn't going to trade up because they have so many holes to fill that they aren't going to trade multiple picks for just one; especially when AJ Hawk or Williams or Ferguson will still be there at #5.

GoldRush26 · 04-19-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

I haven't heard anyone mention this so if they have I apologize. If the Jets and Titans refuse to deal, why can't we deal with the Packers at 5? They need huge help on "D". Who's the top rated D player in this draft carrying a similar grade as Reggie Bush? Mario Williams. We trade down to 5 get more picks than we would by trading to either 2 or 3, the Packers then select Williams, the Titans would then take Leinart, the Jets would then take Young, and we are left with either Hawk or Ferguson. Even if the Jets take Ferguson and pass on Young that still leaves us with Hawk at a good value of the #5 pick.

how are we "slaves" for anyone? When it comes down to it we can't make people cut a deal with us. Whether or not we cut a deal with a team we'll still get the player that we want. They want our pick, not the other way around. We don't NEED to trade down, these teams NEED to trade up.

Boogro · 04-19-2006, 04:26 PM

These teams don't need to trade up. The Jets have many holes to fill and think about. They can use all their pics and the Titans will get a top QB regardless. It's whether is one of them wants Leinart more.

GoldRush26 · 04-19-2006, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Boogro

These teams don't need to trade up. The Jets have many holes to fill and think about. They can use all their pics and the Titans will get a top QB regardless. It's whether is one of them wants Leinart more.

Well at the same time we don't have to trade down. We can stay right were we are and be fine. We aren't "slaves" to anyone.

spkb25 · 04-19-2006, 05:22 PM

i think the ball is in our court to be honest. does that mean that things will go the way we want them to -no. the fact is we hold the pick. we will get whoever we want minus one pick. that is a damn good feeling. we would all love to trade down but if we can't we can't. i think the fact that the draft is so stocked with talent kinda hurts us a little in regards to trying to tarde the pick. either way we are still in the driving seat

Boogro · 04-19-2006, 05:32 PM

I am not saying we are slaves to anyone. I just feel we can help ourselves more than anyone by going down rather than them coming up. We need the extra picks as much as they do. I would love to get Hawk at 2, but if we can get him at 4 with 2 extra pics would be great. Who knows who the Jets or Titans are in favor of? I am just saying we aren't slaves, but we just need to trade down and get some more 1st day pics

spkb25 · 04-19-2006, 05:36 PM

boo we do want to do that. well at least us fans want to. if you can't though you can't. you can't force a trade because if you do that you will end up with less compensation then you should

04-19-2006, 02:44 PM	#1
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Why be a slave to the Jets or Titans? I haven't heard anyone mention this so if they have I apologize. If the Jets and Titans refuse to deal, why can't we deal with the Packers at 5? They need huge help on "D". Who's the top rated D player in this draft carrying a similar grade as Reggie Bush? Mario Williams. We trade down to 5 get more picks than we would by trading to either 2 or 3, the Packers then select Williams, the Titans would then take Leinart, the Jets would then take Young, and we are left with either Hawk or Ferguson. Even if the Jets take Ferguson and pass on Young that still leaves us with Hawk at a good value of the #5 pick.

04-19-2006, 03:10 PM	#4
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Green Bay isn't going to trade up because they have so many holes to fill that they aren't going to trade multiple picks for just one; especially when AJ Hawk or Williams or Ferguson will still be there at #5.
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04-19-2006, 03:39 PM	#5
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Re: Why be a slave to the Jets or Titans? Originally Posted by stockman311 I haven't heard anyone mention this so if they have I apologize. If the Jets and Titans refuse to deal, why can't we deal with the Packers at 5? They need huge help on "D". Who's the top rated D player in this draft carrying a similar grade as Reggie Bush? Mario Williams. We trade down to 5 get more picks than we would by trading to either 2 or 3, the Packers then select Williams, the Titans would then take Leinart, the Jets would then take Young, and we are left with either Hawk or Ferguson. Even if the Jets take Ferguson and pass on Young that still leaves us with Hawk at a good value of the #5 pick. how are we "slaves" for anyone? When it comes down to it we can't make people cut a deal with us. Whether or not we cut a deal with a team we'll still get the player that we want. They want our pick, not the other way around. We don't NEED to trade down, these teams NEED to trade up.
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04-19-2006, 04:26 PM	#6
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	RE: Re: Why be a slave to the Jets or Titans? These teams don't need to trade up. The Jets have many holes to fill and think about. They can use all their pics and the Titans will get a top QB regardless. It's whether is one of them wants Leinart more.

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GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Re: RE: Re: Why be a slave to the Jets or Titans? Originally Posted by Boogro These teams don't need to trade up. The Jets have many holes to fill and think about. They can use all their pics and the Titans will get a top QB regardless. It's whether is one of them wants Leinart more. Well at the same time we don't have to trade down. We can stay right were we are and be fine. We aren't "slaves" to anyone.
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04-19-2006, 02:51 PM	#2
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	I dont think they are set on trading with the jets or titans in particular. They are listening to all offers im sure. If its the Packers than its the packers. There is enough talent in the top of the draft that the saints need to fill holes, that it doesnt matter whether they pick 2 or 5. We are defenitaly not slaves to anyone with the postion we sit in.

04-19-2006, 02:55 PM	#3
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	No, we are definitely not slaves to anyone, but the fact is..we kind of need them and maybe more than they need us. Sure, the Saints CAN draft Williams or Ferguson or even Hawk at 2...but they would love to be able to move down and still get their guy later in the draft while stocking up on a couple of picks. If we move down anywhere from 3 to 7 and come away with one of the guys i mentioned or even Michael Huff, we did good considering we got someone who can play right away and we got a few extra picks out of it to help out in other areas.

04-19-2006, 05:22 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	RE: Re: RE: Re: Why be a slave to the Jets or Titans? i think the ball is in our court to be honest. does that mean that things will go the way we want them to -no. the fact is we hold the pick. we will get whoever we want minus one pick. that is a damn good feeling. we would all love to trade down but if we can't we can't. i think the fact that the draft is so stocked with talent kinda hurts us a little in regards to trying to tarde the pick. either way we are still in the driving seat

04-19-2006, 05:32 PM	#9
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	RE: Re: RE: Re: Why be a slave to the Jets or Titans? I am not saying we are slaves to anyone. I just feel we can help ourselves more than anyone by going down rather than them coming up. We need the extra picks as much as they do. I would love to get Hawk at 2, but if we can get him at 4 with 2 extra pics would be great. Who knows who the Jets or Titans are in favor of? I am just saying we aren't slaves, but we just need to trade down and get some more 1st day pics

04-19-2006, 05:36 PM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	RE: Re: RE: Re: Why be a slave to the Jets or Titans? boo we do want to do that. well at least us fans want to. if you can't though you can't. you can't force a trade because if you do that you will end up with less compensation then you should