Mario Williams
 

If he is the best player, at the position they draft, and they don't want D'Brick, then I hope they get him. If they had 3 CBs who could start, everyone would be okay with that. If they had 3 WRs who could start, everyone would be okay with that. And the same could be said, for most areas of the team. But for some reason, some don't want 3 DEs, who could start. I don't think there will ever be a complete team in the NFL, again. Instead every team will have a dominate part of their teams. The Saints dominate areas could be DE, RB, and S. Either way I am sure they will do what they feel is best, for the team.

ummm...how bout no......how bout we fill holes.....instead of tieing up more money in places where we have capable people....yea, im gunna go with Hawk or even trading down and getting Huff or Ngata....can a Brother get an AMEN???


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what if the saints do stay at 2 and pick mario?
do they look to deal one of the other de's for another pick in this draft?
i'd say yes if they find a taker.............smitty

if we stay at #2 we need to draft....
hawk
brick
or
davis

that is only if we cannot trade down.

Pass on Mario. Most bust potential in the draft. He did the least against better competition in college out of any of the top picks. Workout Warrior.

I'm with ya on that one whodi. To me that's our least point of need, and other than being a physical specimen I was not real impressed with his numbers. His name also has really come out of nowhere in the past few months to elevate him into the top 10 and its not like NC State is a small market school

Re: Mario Williams
 

You need 3 WR's who can start on one team.

You need 3 DB's that can start on one team.

You don't need 3 DE's that can start on one team, especially a team with no impact DT's or MLB's.

The Patriots didn't win 3 SB's by being dominant in a couple positions. They won by being balanced.

Agreed there. I am a huge college football fan, and I had not even heard of this guy until the end of the year, when he started getting all this buzz. ALL of his highlights are against schools you can't even name. Uh uh. And it's not an area of dire need too???? PASS!!!!!

Penn States DE I would rather have. Played in more big games and just as productive

you guys never heard of mario williams before now? he was a pre season all american... yall must not get out much..

yeah, me and my friends were talking about what a physical speciman this guy was last year when they were assessing last years DE class right before the draft. I remember distinctly, my buddy Charlie turning to me and saying, "Have you seen that kid from NC State? I swear, if he could get up enough speed, he could get airborn with that wingspan....."

You mean you were all up on a guy who had 5 and then 6 sacks in consecutive years? Kudos. I never heard of the chump.

don't think i commented anywhere in my post, regarding his performance.

reading comprehension is good ;)

Yes, reading comprehension is good. :P SOMETHING must have brought the guy to your attention. I am pointing out that surely it wasnt his stats. See? I actually can not fathom where anyone would have seen or heard of this guy unless they were a fan of a team in the conference, wnet to school, ot the team they support played him. I mean, I bet there are hundreds of guys who play college football who are physical specimens. What made this guy stand out. All I was saying is it certainly wasn't his stats.

you are correct, it wasn't his stats. it was more like 6'7", 295, enough strength to bulldoze lineman 30 pounds heavier than him, quick first step, his impressive moves, outstanding outside rush, 40" vert, 4.6/40. But, I don't think anyone talked stats, then again, he lined up enough times at DT, that it could have hurt him from a statistical point of view. Would you agree to that?

No, I can't agree to that. First, the only time you could have seen his impressive moves was against inferior teams, cause he completely disappeared against any good competition. Second, with only 6 sacks in the time you said you noticed him, which would have been before last year as you said, he couldn't have bulldozed too many linemen or had toooutstanding an outside rush or had too much of anything really. 6 sacks? Last, they didn't line him up at DT enough tohave him blanked by any above average team. So no, I still don't see it, but that's just me. It he was on an All American list though, although I can't see how, I could see that.

See, you're putting words into my mouth. I never saw footage of the guy until this year. From what I saw this year, the guy looks impressive.
The information I received last year was from the circle of friends that I talk to on a personal level about football and prospects. The conversation started over a comment I made about the DE group being low in talent, compared to other recent classes. My friend Charlie was the one that brought up Mario, and that was the first time I had heard of the guy. He told me to watch out for this guy next year, as he would more than make up for the lack of talent I noticed in the previous draft class. I asked more questions about him, and that's when he started telling me about his measurables.

Oh oh oh oh oh, okay, I see now. i wasn't getting the whole picture. My bad. Okay, so even with that, he still disappeared in ALL the big games against above average competition, AND I looked it up, besides one 5 sack game by the team aginst better competition, their sack totals were no better as a teamin these games, meaning Mario did not create a significant amount of disruption to gain an advantage for the other players on their defense. That's a red flag to me, on both points. But you know who else was a physical specimen in college AND the pros at DE? Alonzo Spellman. Remember him? Crazy dude that played for the Bears and the Cowboys? Complete bust.

Good point.

It should also be noted that NCStates strongest group on the team was the front seven on defense, so stating that his impact could have been lessened due to double teams would be a weak argument.

Still like the guy. I know my previous comment deters from my point of view, but it doesn't help to not have all the information at the table, either.

True, but just start calling him Alonzo Spellman and you'll feel better. :wink:

You cannot argue against his measurables. The guy has all the ability in the world to be great. Alonzo Spellman is a good reference. But if you want to talk about "Workout wonderboys", how bout Mike Mamula? The guy was a beast...who didnt do a damn thing.

Mamula is a great example too, but I wanted to try and bring out someone people hadn't said already. I just remembered Alonzo for some reason. Dude was a physical freak.

So was Aundray Bruce.

Ha well what I do with every edition of NCAA College Football for XBox is that I edit and name every player over the rating for 90(for importing purposes for Madden), so I can honestly say I knew who Mario Williams was before the hype(i'm now reduced to using video games as analytical tools). He definitely wasn't the best DE in the game and he's ascending a little too high for my tastes. I think Kiwanuka was rated higher than him. I don't think he's worth the second pick in the draft. That being said, if we were to pick him at 2, it wouldn't be the WORST thing we could do.

However the point is moot because this is all just a huge smokescreen. The FO just gave the media some bait about us wanting to pick Williams after the season ended and they ran with it. Why would they reveal who they wanted to take that early?

:idea: I totally agree. I'm out here in ACC country and I've NEVER heard of this guy before the combine. I'd rather go with Hawk, D'brick, or even the RB from Minnesota as insurance for McAllister.

There you have it folks, confirmation from ACC country. Definite pass.

now just tell that to the saints FO

The Immortal Mario Williams would be a fine pick. I have no problem with taking him. Steve McNair wasn't anything special when he came out.

um, what? Air McNair was on the verge of setting or breaking NUMEROUS college passing and total yardage records when he came out. Don't sully the man's name by comparing him to Mario Williams. That's an insult.

that maybe true but that doesnt mean he was well known before the draft or the combine... i remember askin myself who the hell steve mcnair was....

Wait, wait wait, you knew who Mario Willaims was, but didn't know who McNair was? And you say you follow college football? I'm done.

who said he was as into evaluating draft classes back in 1995, like he is now? that was 11 years ago....

Noone did. But that's not my point. Someone who says they follow college football, would know who Steve McNair was going into the draft, whether you "evaluated" it or not. When Steve McNair came out, I wasn't on the internet, and didn't know many people who were. But I knew who Steve McNair was. Now even having the internet and following college football even closer, I had no idea who Mario was. Steve McNair was breaking NCAA RECORDS in his college career, and someone doesn't know who that guy is, but knows who some one year wonder who wasn't close to breaking anything is? I just find that hard to believe. Call me naive.

ok... 11 years ago i was 13... give me a break...

LOL

damn youngins

Okay, but then, how does that qualify you to make a statement like

If you asked yourself who McNair was, you were obviously into the draft, 13 or not, and there had to be some players you knew, right? I was gonna give a pass on you being 13, but since you openly questioned yourself about McNair at such an age, you were advanced enough to have known who he was. :wink:

whodi, that makes no sense. he could have seen McNair's name anywhere, and been like, "who is this guy???" Steve was selected 3rd overall, and the Oilers were very vocal about their intentions to bench him his entire first year, which was rarely heard of up to that point.

Wait, how does that make no sense? We were talking about a player being drafted, and who was or wasn't heard of before the draft. Also, Alcorn State plays in the same conference as Southern and Grambling. Obviously by saying he had not heard of McNair before the draft or combine, he asked himself who he was after the draft or combine. If he heard of him before that, he would not have asked himself "Who is McNair" after the draft or combine. Seems pretty simple to me.

b/c i believe i watched the draft for the first time in that year and i had known some of the other guys but had never heard of mcnair.. or alcorn state for that matter...

Wait, so this was your first draft ever? Is it any wonder why you may not have heard of Steve McNair? I disqualify your previous statement about McNair. The defense rests. :wink:

And did you not know of Southern and Grambling? Well, if you aren't from Louisiana, that one I could see. But if you did know of them, you know they played Alcorn, and that also would have let you know who McNair was. Maybe that's why I knew him. Either way, I just don't see how a guy like Steve McNair could have been called unknown. Again, call me naive.