i don't think vince will be a good qb in the nfl. there is a good possibility i am wrong but it is how i feel and i can't shake it. that is my feeling anyway. i am not sold on matt either. i thought his arm looked like crap against nd and from what they said about his workout it looked like crap again. vince from what i read wasn't impressive in his workout either. i just see vince being a guy who can really run the ball well. i am not so sure he can play qb in the nfl.

I don't think we would draft Vince are Matt, but I think both of them will be pretty good pro QB, and you got to admit both of them or winners.

Amen. Young can't hold Leinart's jock. An Aaron Brooks.Mike vick hybrid does not inspire any kind of confidence from me, especially one that scored lower ont he wonderlic than Brooks, and has NEVER played in a pro style offense. No thanks.

patdog their teams were both winners. once again i don't put anything into the idea that one player makes your team win. there are 10 other guys on offense and 11 other guys on defense.

40-37....

That's the best you got? Heisman trophy, and a national title and a half. 3 title games. 35 straight wins. Your turn. :roll:

Here's another number, Pak: 6 :wink:

I don't want either guy, but Young is a stud. Anybody who watched the title game and the Ohio State game has to be impressed. Heres a number 0. Elbow surgeries on VY and number of first round picks he played with in that offense. Leinart had 4 (Bush, Leinart, Justice, Jarrett). The knock on Young is that he isn't polished. We have Brees and he would have time to develope. If we had to take one give me Young

Absolutely not. I watched the game, and watched a great college player tear up an at best average college defense, that Fresno State scored almost 50 points on, without a Vince Young. Unimpressed. And I have seen tons of UT games living in Austin and now San Antonio. If we draft this guy, it would go down as possibly one of the worst picks in franchise history, and there have been many terrible ones.

The only thing I could see the Saints doing is pulling a Chargers move. Taking Lienert or Young and forcing teams into a trade, and getting allot more in return. But I'm sure it would work allot better with Lienert.