Davis?????

zachsaints52 · 04-22-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis.

Very good question Whodi, thats why I say DON'T TRADE DONTE' STALLWORTH!!! PLEASE?!?! He can be a game changer if gotten the ball in his hands, not shoes or too-high.

JimBone · 04-22-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis.

Very good question Whodi, thats why I say DON'T TRADE DONTE' STALLWORTH!!! PLEASE?!?! He can be a game changer if gotten the ball in his hands, not shoes or too-high.

I dont want to trade Stallworth either. I dont know if it has to do with the fact that we dont have anyone else to step up and play or if it is because i want to see him play with a better QB. Just to touch on what you said Whodi, i think if the Saints did draft Davis, it wouldnt be for depth. They would be drafting him to start and be a factor in our offense. That would make Hilton our number 2 and take the pressure off of him.

zachsaints52 · 04-22-2006, 08:33 PM

True, but why not try and give Hilton a chance though? I know Davis is a once a draft thing, but maybe Hilton can break it?

JimBone · 04-22-2006, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by zachsaints52

True, but why not try and give Hilton a chance though? I know Davis is a once a draft thing, but maybe Hilton can break it?

The same reason why i dont want to give Fincher a try. The same reason why i dont want to give Jason Craft a try. The same reason why i dont want to give Chase Lyman a try. That reason is because there is someone available that can make your team better in that area.

saintswhodi · 04-22-2006, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by JimBone

Originally Posted by zachsaints52

True, but why not try and give Hilton a chance though? I know Davis is a once a draft thing, but maybe Hilton can break it?

The same reason why i dont want to give Fincher a try. The same reason why i dont want to give Jason Craft a try. The same reason why i dont want to give Chase Lyman a try. That reason is because there is someone available that can make your team better in that area.

I don't agree with that. Fincher is an unknown. Lyman is an unknown. We ALL know Craft sucks. If this was the argument, we could draft anyone and call it an upgrade at any position on the team. The point, in my mind, is who would help the most, and it's not a TE. I have seen enough of Hilton to know he would do okay, not pro bowl caliber but okay with a better QB. I am willing to give him that chance. Besides the fact there are several decent TEs we could get in a later round.

JimBone · 04-22-2006, 10:38 PM

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I don't agree with that. Fincher is an unknown. Lyman is an unknown. We ALL know Craft sucks. If this was the argument, we could draft anyone and call it an upgrade at any position on the team. The point, in my mind, is who would help the most, and it's not a TE. I have seen enough of Hilton to know he would do okay, not pro bowl caliber but okay with a better QB. I am willing to give him that chance. Besides the fact there are several decent TEs we could get in a later round.[/quote]

So if you think Fincher can play, why do you want Hawk so much. Simmons, Fujita, and Bockwoldt have all proven that they can play to some degree. I think that Davis is the as good of an upgrade at tight end as Hawk is at linebacker. Stinchcomb is an unknown but we both would like to have Ferguson.

saintswhodi · 04-22-2006, 10:46 PM

Wait, where did I say I think Fincher can play? I said he is an unknown. You nor I know if he can play, cause neither have seen him play. My point was your comments on Lyman and Fincher are wholly unfounded cause you have not seen them play.

As far as Davis being as big an upgrade at TE as Hawk at LB, well, I'll just leave that one alone. Matter of opinion.

And I am willing to give Stinch a shot at RT. I WANT us to pick Hawk. That is my one through 100 choice. All I ever said about Ferguson was I wouldn't be mad if we took him. Big difference than actually wanting him.

JimBone · 04-22-2006, 11:11 PM

OK...then we can just chalk this one up as a difference of opinion. To me, if you are an unknown, then you havent shown anything. As far as Hilton, he has shown that he can be adequate at best. That is why i say Davis would not be a draft pick for depth...at least he has potential to be great. Same with Hawk...same with Ferguson...

saintswhodi · 04-22-2006, 11:13 PM

I can live with that, difference of opinion.

JimBone · 04-22-2006, 11:21 PM

I do want to pose this question to you whodi...If we drafted Davis, do you think he would start? I do. I think whoever we draft in the first round is going to start for us. That means, Hawk would start, while moving someone who was starting to the bench. Ferguson would move Stinchcomb to the bench. Huff would move Craft to the bench. Now, all of those picks improve our depth. The way you put it, Davis would back up Hilton, and add to our depth. Thats where our opinions differ.

04-22-2006, 08:04 PM	#31
zachsaints52 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 522	Originally Posted by saintswhodi I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis. Very good question Whodi, thats why I say DON'T TRADE DONTE' STALLWORTH!!! PLEASE?!?! He can be a game changer if gotten the ball in his hands, not shoes or too-high.

04-22-2006, 08:30 PM	#32
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Originally Posted by zachsaints52 Originally Posted by saintswhodi I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis. Very good question Whodi, thats why I say DON'T TRADE DONTE' STALLWORTH!!! PLEASE?!?! He can be a game changer if gotten the ball in his hands, not shoes or too-high. I dont want to trade Stallworth either. I dont know if it has to do with the fact that we dont have anyone else to step up and play or if it is because i want to see him play with a better QB. Just to touch on what you said Whodi, i think if the Saints did draft Davis, it wouldnt be for depth. They would be drafting him to start and be a factor in our offense. That would make Hilton our number 2 and take the pressure off of him.
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04-22-2006, 08:41 PM	#34
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Originally Posted by zachsaints52 True, but why not try and give Hilton a chance though? I know Davis is a once a draft thing, but maybe Hilton can break it? The same reason why i dont want to give Fincher a try. The same reason why i dont want to give Jason Craft a try. The same reason why i dont want to give Chase Lyman a try. That reason is because there is someone available that can make your team better in that area.

04-22-2006, 10:14 PM	#35
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JimBone Originally Posted by zachsaints52 True, but why not try and give Hilton a chance though? I know Davis is a once a draft thing, but maybe Hilton can break it? The same reason why i dont want to give Fincher a try. The same reason why i dont want to give Jason Craft a try. The same reason why i dont want to give Chase Lyman a try. That reason is because there is someone available that can make your team better in that area. I don't agree with that. Fincher is an unknown. Lyman is an unknown. We ALL know Craft sucks. If this was the argument, we could draft anyone and call it an upgrade at any position on the team. The point, in my mind, is who would help the most, and it's not a TE. I have seen enough of Hilton to know he would do okay, not pro bowl caliber but okay with a better QB. I am willing to give him that chance. Besides the fact there are several decent TEs we could get in a later round.

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04-22-2006, 08:33 PM	#33
zachsaints52 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 522	True, but why not try and give Hilton a chance though? I know Davis is a once a draft thing, but maybe Hilton can break it?

04-22-2006, 10:38 PM	#36
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	[quote=" I don't agree with that. Fincher is an unknown. Lyman is an unknown. We ALL know Craft sucks. If this was the argument, we could draft anyone and call it an upgrade at any position on the team. The point, in my mind, is who would help the most, and it's not a TE. I have seen enough of Hilton to know he would do okay, not pro bowl caliber but okay with a better QB. I am willing to give him that chance. Besides the fact there are several decent TEs we could get in a later round.[/quote] So if you think Fincher can play, why do you want Hawk so much. Simmons, Fujita, and Bockwoldt have all proven that they can play to some degree. I think that Davis is the as good of an upgrade at tight end as Hawk is at linebacker. Stinchcomb is an unknown but we both would like to have Ferguson.

04-22-2006, 10:46 PM	#37
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Wait, where did I say I think Fincher can play? I said he is an unknown. You nor I know if he can play, cause neither have seen him play. My point was your comments on Lyman and Fincher are wholly unfounded cause you have not seen them play. As far as Davis being as big an upgrade at TE as Hawk at LB, well, I'll just leave that one alone. Matter of opinion. And I am willing to give Stinch a shot at RT. I WANT us to pick Hawk. That is my one through 100 choice. All I ever said about Ferguson was I wouldn't be mad if we took him. Big difference than actually wanting him.

04-22-2006, 11:11 PM	#38
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	OK...then we can just chalk this one up as a difference of opinion. To me, if you are an unknown, then you havent shown anything. As far as Hilton, he has shown that he can be adequate at best. That is why i say Davis would not be a draft pick for depth...at least he has potential to be great. Same with Hawk...same with Ferguson...

04-22-2006, 11:13 PM	#39
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I can live with that, difference of opinion.

04-22-2006, 11:21 PM	#40
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	I do want to pose this question to you whodi...If we drafted Davis, do you think he would start? I do. I think whoever we draft in the first round is going to start for us. That means, Hawk would start, while moving someone who was starting to the bench. Ferguson would move Stinchcomb to the bench. Huff would move Craft to the bench. Now, all of those picks improve our depth. The way you put it, Davis would back up Hilton, and add to our depth. Thats where our opinions differ.