Here's What Will Happen Saturday

LKelley67 · 04-24-2006, 08:48 AM

I dunno really. I have a ton of opinions though just like many here. Having the number two overall is very critical to a franchise's future. The greatest feeling I have about it though is anticipation and confidence. My skepticism grew very strong in the past two to three years seeing the type of personnel decisions made in the Haslett era. I do not have a greatly elevated opinion of Loomis yet. The distinct change of approach and the moves made thusfar lead me to believe he makes moves strongly in accord with the head coach's philosophy and desire though. Thus as the Tebuckys were Haslett's team maybe the Brees and draft picks forward will be the Payton era. So great hope for better moves.

As to the specifics of the upcoming draft-
~I am a bigtime Hawk advocate. I believe he is not only the real deal sort of tackling machine. I believe of the first 5 or 6 draft picks he is also the safest bet. That is, the one with least bust potential. Maybe not the highest impact but the surest. Saying all that, I also believe unless the team trades down lower than #4 he will not be the pick. Maybe I will be impressed by the FO all the more that their smokescreen was so effective and they take him anyway.
~I feel very good that a trade out of the number two spot will happen. If they do not, it still will be a high impact player. To pick up an extra pick or two and be able to sign one of the guys you want for lower money though would display wisdom and strategy that has not been seen here in some time though.
~My slate is still very clean for the new regime here. I am prepared to be supportive even if they do not make the draft choices I find most favorable. The two biggest would be taking Leinart or Mario at the #2 spot. If that happens I will only hope their shrewdness ends up proving them to be the professionals and us only wanna be GM fans. It is easy to imagine scenarios where those two picks could end up being the wisest moves no matter how much I want Hawk. Show us whatcha got Malcolm! Ya got the most devoted fans in the league here.

saintswhodi · 04-24-2006, 09:26 AM

As to the specifics of the upcoming draft-
~I am a bigtime Hawk advocate. I believe he is not only the real deal sort of tackling machine. I believe of the first 5 or 6 draft picks he is also the safest bet. That is, the one with least bust potential.

Nuff said. I don't care what anyone says, Hawk is gold, hell platinum. IMO, this dude is a MUST.

BrooksMustGo · 04-24-2006, 10:08 AM

Simmons, Fujita, Bockwoldt--pretty solid linebacking crew. No need for a rookie at the position.

Pass rushers are always more valuable than 2nd string linebackers.

xan · 04-24-2006, 10:17 AM

Healthy, competent quarterbacks are always more valuable than a redundant 2nd unit pass rusher.

saintswhodi · 04-24-2006, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo

Simmons, Fujita, Bockwoldt--pretty solid linebacking crew. No need for a rookie at the position.

Pass rushers are always more valuable than 2nd string linebackers.

Exactly why we already have two good pass rushers, and there's none worthy of top 5 in the draft, unless you want a guy who has ZERO impact in big games. That's your kinda guy? Hope not. Hawk it is.

BrooksMustGo · 04-24-2006, 10:42 AM

You guys have got to let the hate go for The Immortal Mario Williams. I have no hate for this Hawk person, (who couldn't stop Vince Young at home by the way--big time players and big time games you know). But without question, LB is the most improved position this offseason. We just don't need another OLB. I'm guessing that we'd have to put Hawk at WLB and I don't see the need for that.

We could have the chance to draft the next Deacon Jones or Reggie White. At the very worst, we'd be getting the next Howie Long or Lee Roy Selmon. The guy is a game changer. Offenses would have to run at the other side because they'd get nowhere against The Immortal Mario Williams. I'm not sure that sacks in big games are the best indicator of his career. Defensive playcalling may have been more conservative against premiere opponents?

I cite Mike Detillier. http://www.houmatoday.com/apps/pbcs..../1032/SPORTS01

If the Saints decide to keep the second overall selection then they must pick North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, the top rated defensive player on the draft board, but if the Saints peel back a couple of slots I think they will select former Ohio State outside linebacker A.J. Hawk.

If we stay at #2, we must take The Immortal Mario Williams. If we can drop a few picks we can take a project player like Hawk.

saintswhodi · 04-24-2006, 10:51 AM

Your love for this dude is laughable. Sure, dismiss the fact he got toally blanked in big games. And against UT, Hawk was a defensive STAR, so not only do we get delusions of Mario being a Reggie White, we get misinformation about Hawk? The best defense for Mario is to make stuff up that's flat out untrue about Hawk? Yikes. That's a slippery slope to tread. Hawk was all over Vince Young. Aj Hawk against Texas:

Defensive Player Notes

Senior linebacker A.J. Hawk intercepted a Vince Young pass in the second quarter and recorded a 24-yd return. The interception served the seventh in Hawk's career.
On the next Texas possession, Hawk recovered a fumble caused by senior defensive end Jay Richardson. The recovery is Hawk's second of his career. The forced fumble served as the first of Richardson's career.

For the second consecutive game, Hawk recorded a sack and finished the game with two sacks. He now has 8.5 for his career.

Overall, Hawk registered at least 10 tackles for the sixth time in his last seven games. He finished the game with a team-best 12 total tackles and now has 295 for his career.

This was against the national champs. Find me ONE big game from Mario against ONE good team. You won't, I looked. I am shocked to see that anyone would take a player with such a HUGE red flag at a position not needed. Very surprising.

xan · 04-24-2006, 10:53 AM

How's that coolade taste? Williams is a death wish draft choice for a team that has no need for another DE. Lienart or Hawk are the only viable choices in this year's draft for the Saints.

saintswhodi · 04-24-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by xan

How's that coolade taste? Williams is a death wish draft choice for a team that has no need for another DE. Lienart or Hawk are the only viable choices in this year's draft for the Saints.

Didn't they serve Kool-aid with that one cult that killed everyone?

May taste good, but it may also kill ya in the end. No Mario. If we had to choose between him and Leinart, i'd choose Leinart too.

BrooksMustGo · 04-24-2006, 10:56 AM

Leinart has a dead arm. Hawk's a good player but not good enough for 2nd overall and not a position of need.

The Immortal Mario Williams is the only hope this franchise has of sniffing the superbowl in the next 10 years. The Grant trade allows us to get another quality player now. It's a no brainer.

It's simple. If you have the chance to draft the next Deacon Jones or Reggie White, you simply have to take them. Taking the next Cie Grant 2nd overall just isn't reasonable.

04-24-2006, 08:48 AM	#1
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Here's What Will Happen Saturday I dunno really. I have a ton of opinions though just like many here. Having the number two overall is very critical to a franchise's future. The greatest feeling I have about it though is anticipation and confidence. My skepticism grew very strong in the past two to three years seeing the type of personnel decisions made in the Haslett era. I do not have a greatly elevated opinion of Loomis yet. The distinct change of approach and the moves made thusfar lead me to believe he makes moves strongly in accord with the head coach's philosophy and desire though. Thus as the Tebuckys were Haslett's team maybe the Brees and draft picks forward will be the Payton era. So great hope for better moves. As to the specifics of the upcoming draft- ~I am a bigtime Hawk advocate. I believe he is not only the real deal sort of tackling machine. I believe of the first 5 or 6 draft picks he is also the safest bet. That is, the one with least bust potential. Maybe not the highest impact but the surest. Saying all that, I also believe unless the team trades down lower than #4 he will not be the pick. Maybe I will be impressed by the FO all the more that their smokescreen was so effective and they take him anyway. ~I feel very good that a trade out of the number two spot will happen. If they do not, it still will be a high impact player. To pick up an extra pick or two and be able to sign one of the guys you want for lower money though would display wisdom and strategy that has not been seen here in some time though. ~My slate is still very clean for the new regime here. I am prepared to be supportive even if they do not make the draft choices I find most favorable. The two biggest would be taking Leinart or Mario at the #2 spot. If that happens I will only hope their shrewdness ends up proving them to be the professionals and us only wanna be GM fans. It is easy to imagine scenarios where those two picks could end up being the wisest moves no matter how much I want Hawk. Show us whatcha got Malcolm! Ya got the most devoted fans in the league here.

04-24-2006, 10:24 AM	#5
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo Simmons, Fujita, Bockwoldt--pretty solid linebacking crew. No need for a rookie at the position. Pass rushers are always more valuable than 2nd string linebackers. Exactly why we already have two good pass rushers, and there's none worthy of top 5 in the draft, unless you want a guy who has ZERO impact in big games. That's your kinda guy? Hope not. Hawk it is.

04-24-2006, 10:42 AM	#6
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	You guys have got to let the hate go for The Immortal Mario Williams. I have no hate for this Hawk person, (who couldn't stop Vince Young at home by the way--big time players and big time games you know). But without question, LB is the most improved position this offseason. We just don't need another OLB. I'm guessing that we'd have to put Hawk at WLB and I don't see the need for that. We could have the chance to draft the next Deacon Jones or Reggie White. At the very worst, we'd be getting the next Howie Long or Lee Roy Selmon. The guy is a game changer. Offenses would have to run at the other side because they'd get nowhere against The Immortal Mario Williams. I'm not sure that sacks in big games are the best indicator of his career. Defensive playcalling may have been more conservative against premiere opponents? I cite Mike Detillier. http://www.houmatoday.com/apps/pbcs..../1032/SPORTS01 If the Saints decide to keep the second overall selection then they *must* pick North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, the top rated defensive player on the draft board, but if the Saints peel back a couple of slots I think they will select former Ohio State outside linebacker A.J. Hawk. If we stay at #2, we must take The Immortal Mario Williams. If we can drop a few picks we can take a project player like Hawk.
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04-24-2006, 10:51 AM	#7
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Your love for this dude is laughable. Sure, dismiss the fact he got toally blanked in big games. And against UT, Hawk was a defensive STAR, so not only do we get delusions of Mario being a Reggie White, we get misinformation about Hawk? The best defense for Mario is to make stuff up that's flat out untrue about Hawk? Yikes. That's a slippery slope to tread. Hawk was all over Vince Young. Aj Hawk against Texas: Defensive Player Notes Senior linebacker A.J. Hawk intercepted a Vince Young pass in the second quarter and recorded a 24-yd return. The interception served the seventh in Hawk's career. On the next Texas possession, Hawk recovered a fumble caused by senior defensive end Jay Richardson. The recovery is Hawk's second of his career. The forced fumble served as the first of Richardson's career. For the second consecutive game, Hawk recorded a sack and finished the game with two sacks. He now has 8.5 for his career. Overall, Hawk registered at least 10 tackles for the sixth time in his last seven games. He finished the game with a team-best 12 total tackles and now has 295 for his career. This was against the national champs. Find me ONE big game from Mario against ONE good team. You won't, I looked. I am shocked to see that anyone would take a player with such a HUGE red flag at a position not needed. Very surprising.

04-24-2006, 10:55 AM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by xan How's that coolade taste? Williams is a death wish draft choice for a team that has no need for another DE. Lienart or Hawk are the only viable choices in this year's draft for the Saints. Didn't they serve Kool-aid with that one cult that killed everyone? May taste good, but it may also kill ya in the end. No Mario. If we had to choose between him and Leinart, i'd choose Leinart too.

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04-24-2006, 09:26 AM	#2
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	As to the specifics of the upcoming draft- ~I am a bigtime Hawk advocate. I believe he is not only the real deal sort of tackling machine. I believe of the first 5 or 6 draft picks he is also the safest bet. That is, the one with least bust potential. Nuff said. I don't care what anyone says, Hawk is gold, hell platinum. IMO, this dude is a MUST.

04-24-2006, 10:08 AM	#3
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Simmons, Fujita, Bockwoldt--pretty solid linebacking crew. No need for a rookie at the position. Pass rushers are always more valuable than 2nd string linebackers.

04-24-2006, 10:17 AM	#4
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Healthy, competent quarterbacks are always more valuable than a redundant 2nd unit pass rusher.

04-24-2006, 10:53 AM	#8
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	How's that coolade taste? Williams is a death wish draft choice for a team that has no need for another DE. Lienart or Hawk are the only viable choices in this year's draft for the Saints.

04-24-2006, 10:56 AM	#10
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Leinart has a dead arm. Hawk's a good player but not good enough for 2nd overall and not a position of need. The Immortal Mario Williams is the only hope this franchise has of sniffing the superbowl in the next 10 years. The Grant trade allows us to get another quality player now. It's a no brainer. It's simple. If you have the chance to draft the next Deacon Jones or Reggie White, you simply have to take them. Taking the next Cie Grant 2nd overall just isn't reasonable.
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