Poor Patyon
 

:o How much **** will Payton get if he screws up on his first draft. Everyone is looking at the Saints to see what they will do with the #2. He's got a lot of pressure on him to do good.

RE: Poor Patyon
 

On paper, it would be very hard to screw up in the first round. Of course, we all know what paper means to a dog... The Saints really need to make an entire draft impact. The guys they select in the 2nd round, and on day two will be the major difference. If they are able to hit the jackpot, then great things will happen. We will see...

RE: Poor Patyon
 

It's quite allot of pressure.

Re: RE: Poor Patyon
 

Very well said. But I have a question, that I just realized, which I would love someone to tell me for. The question is why are the three guys we are the most high on (Leinhart, Brick (who I still LOVE, but with Brown LT now)and Williams), when we have great players their already. My choice woulda been Brick, until Brown swicted. Leinhart I see as a safety for Brees, and why get Williams when we are solid their already? But when you look at LB, we have some names, but Hawk is good too. I want our first to be a LB, CB, or DT. But thats because they are our main needs. And use our second on Jean Gilles, and somehow get Mangold. Thats good enough for me :D

How to screw up this draft:

Step 1: Listen to offers, but take too long deciding
Step2: Choose the pick you would ina panic to not pull a Minnesota -- Leinart
Step 3: Try to sell us on how "he was the best value at the spot we had to choose in; besides, we didn't get any offers we thought were worth dropping down for."

Step 4: Actually believe we will buy that arguement -- then not run when we riot and march on Saints HQ.

Loomis and Payton can't really screw this draft up b/c any pick we take (except Leinart) fills a hole (even Williams). Drafting down nets us more picks and we still get a good 1st rounder, and we are in great cap shape to see what shakes out between now and June 1st.

...of course..we are the saints...

If we draft a lineman in the first day, I hope it is either a tackle or center. I don't want any guards. We have Holland, Mayberry, Nesbit, and Goodwin. That's fine with me. Personally, I'd like LB, CB, DT with the first 3 picks and pick up a C or T with the next two. Kicker would be nice on the 2nd day also

Who the hell is making the decisions? Is is Loomis? I always that it was mistake to fire Mueller first and Haz later...let's hope Payton has his voice and it's a good one.

I thnk on draft day, Rick Mueller has most of the say so...Loomis gets his two cents, and Payton will throw in his opinion...but i think the guy with the most influence is Rick Mueller.

I still don't buy that JimBone. I posted an article here about a year or so about Haslett, and his conversations with Loomis after Mueller was fired, and he basically was demanding then, back in 2001, more say over the personnel decisions. I think it was more like Haslett saying we needed a certain type of player, then the front office getting a guy who fills that need. I also read an article this year where Loomis said Payton would have more control of this draft, or a bigger part of the decision making or something. ala Parcells, but I ahven't been able to find it. Maybe it was a press conference or something. But what I belive you will see is that Payton will have direct influence on our draft. I beleive any coach we hired after last season was gonna demand a large say so in personnel. Hell, look at the FAs we have gotten? anyone doubt that has been caus eof Payton's influence? Now what he may not have control over, is if we trade down or not and what compensation we get. But I feel pretty sure that when it is our turn to pick, his will be the most influential voice in the room. Noone wants this guy to fail after the Jim Haslett era.

we screw up this draft by not forcing a trade down to get equal or better value for the 2nd pick. the only way we do that is by actually selecting anyone other than Lienart or Hawk. No one will trade up with us to select Williams or Brick or Cutler. Drafting either of these two will end hope of getting full value for the pick. Even if we keep Lienart, there's a far greater chance that Brees won't last a full season than Lienart being a bust, and as much moaning as this board has done over the quality of qb play in the last 5 years, not to have a quality backup (and don't go there with the "get one in FA thing", that futile thread's been exhausted) is just as bad as drafting an overhyped sucker play DE we don't need. We'll be better off taking the best LB otherwise as smart, fast, gap filling tacklers have been absent in the D for the better part of this century.