Raiders in 3-way deal? It's a predraft rumor fest
 

Mock drafts are inundating the Internet and making their way into print, but the NFL has a way of turning those annual lists into a mockery by the time the first round is finished.

This year should be no different. Much like the days preceding the baseball trade deadline -- seriously, what fraction of those predicted swaps ever happens? -- each spring brings a slew of NFL Draft Day trade rumors that propel or drop teams in the order.

This year the rumor mill is in overdrive. The reason: There's no real consensus on who the Top 5 players will be and where they will land.

It is acknowledged that the Houston Texans have presented contract offers to both running back Reggie Bush and pass-rushing defensive end Mario Williams, hoping to leverage one franchise player against the other and sign their guy before Saturday.

The Texans don't want to pay a signing bonus exceeding the $24 million guaranteed the 49ers paid quarterback Alex Smith a year ago. Fair enough. A first-round quarterback typically gets the most up-front money, even if his success rate is less of a sure thing.

Despite recent revelations, as reported by Yahoo.com and the Miami Herald, that Bush's family possibly received free or below-market rent on an expensive San Diego-area home during his USC days, the Texans apparently still want him.

So Bush comes off the rumor list. For now.

Meanwhile, NFL agents and front-office folks also are busy spreading trade rumors, hoping they'll land in the paper and help their position.

Let's sort through some of the buzz concerning the local teams and see where it's headed. Or not.

-- Will the 49ers move up or down in the order, now that they have two first-round picks?

At this point, no. The 49ers already had the No. 6 overall selection and swung a pretty good deal last week to acquire Denver's 22nd overall choice in exchange for picks in the second (37) and third rounds (68) of this year's draft.

Coach Mike Nolan said as much last Friday. "We're staying open to most things," he said. "I don't know that anyone ahead of us is trying to go backward, but there's always the possibility."

The 49ers want two first-round picks because they badly need two instant starters out of this draft, at least one on offense and defense.

-- Will the Raiders move up to draft either quarterback Matt Leinart or Vince Young?

Unlikely, at this point. Despite persistent rumors that they have been in contact with the Saints (No. 2 overall) and the Jets (No. 4) as part of a three-way deal that would move them up to No. 2, two well-placed NFL sources have confirmed that the Raiders have not made specific inquiries to move up in the order and that they are content, for now, to stick with the No. 7 pick.

That's because it is entirely possible that either Leinart, Young or play-making safety Michael Huff from Texas -- all of whom are at the top of the Raiders' draft board -- will be available at the seventh spot.

That's assuming of course, that Tennessee (No. 3) doesn't draft Young.

Then again, the Titans, whose front office is furiously debating the merits of Leinart, Young and local lad Jay Cutler, may decide they cannot gamble that the scrambling Young will be game-ready by Week 1.

Tennessee, which needs a franchise quarterback to replace Steve McNair, may opt for the more polished Leinart or Cutler.

The three-way trade rumor has come out of New York. It goes like this:

The Saints and Jets would swap positions, allowing New Orleans to select Williams at No. 4. The Jets would then trade the No. 2 pick to the Raiders in exchange for the seventh selection, wide receiver Jerry Porter and additional picks, likely future choices. That move would allow the Raiders to pick either Leinart or Young.

Meanwhile, the Jets would draft offensive lineman D'Brickashaw Ferguson at No. 7, if the Packers haven't grabbed him at No. 5, then trade Ferguson's rights to the Saints.

This kind of multiple-team trade may be common in the NBA but rarely happens in the NFL. Plus, any trade involving Porter would immediately accelerate the remainder of the $7 million signing bonus he received last year.

How much stock would one NFL general manager put in this rumor?

"It's B.S.," the GM said flatly.

So is a lot of the draft stuff floating around right now.

Then again, an inventive mind, a specific agenda and the reward of mediocrity -- a Top 10 draft pick -- can make anything possible. Even in the NFL.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...PGCRIFFNG1.DTL

It's totally BS. What EXACTLY would we get out of trading down with the Jets in this scenario? We move outof the kindness of our hearts? Total BS.

uh, check the posted threads dewd

I checked THIS posted thread and THIS rumor is BS. Is this a scavenger hunt or something? I am responsing to the article posted in THIS thread.

from what I'm reading, the kindness would be on the part of the Jets. We would get Williams AND Ferguson? this scenario takes ALOT of liberties....

if we get those guys plus a cb in the 2nd rd. or lb i would love it

no whodi, i meant there have already been a couple of threads about this already. check before posting reruns i meant.

Then you need to get up on that quote feature my friend. :lol: My apologies.

Anybody wanna guess how much it would take for us to pay a top 5 and then top 10 pick? Yikes. Still BS. But why couldn't it be Hawk and Brick? lol

And we aren't even guaranteed to get ferguson. Its a hope that the packers dont draft him. What if they do pick D'Brick, then the jets pick hawk and trade hawk to us, but you can't forget about the 49er pick at #6. This just isn't making much sense. The jets get Porter and future picks, the Raiders get the second pick and the Saints get two picks in the top 7.

i like that even better then get mango with the 2nd or Antonio Cromartie

i say then get davis ....huff...justice....or Haloti Ngata

Ya'll must like the smell of crap because continuing this line puts you deeper in it. Give it up, we've got a hose.

I call bullsh** on this one. No way do we get #4 & #7 for the #2 only.

If this does happen, though, it will go down as the Saints best draft moves ever & I will be cutting flips in my living room!!! Hawk at #4 & Brick, Ngata, or Huff at #7? This is what dreams are made of.

Ok I have a question, what if the jets draft someone we don't want are need, then what.

I don't like the idea of drafting Williams when we already have to very good DE's. Second, I think we need Hawk before we need D'Brick. Problem is, I don't think it would be a good idea to draft Hawk at #2. The Saints need to trade down and pick Hawk.

D'Brick and Williams are great players, but the Saints NEED a LB.

In reality, if the Saints draft D'Brick, Williams or Leinart...I'm not going to sit around and kick my teddy bear...but I really think they need to trade down and grab Hawk.

this is one of the scenerios off the jets board by a poster that breaks it down more.......
bongo has also stated that the bush deal is or will be done shortly with the texans.....



One interpretation has it this way:

Oakland gets whom they want at #2 (most have been saying ML, but it could be MW or even VY IMO).

For moving back to #7 for Number Two, Porter, the #38th and 69th picks (not sure about future, this would give Porter a late second round grade according to Value Chart posted on Daft area).

New Orleans would then trade upto the #4 spot with the NY Jets...giving them Porter and the #7 pick (previously Oaklands). This would match the trade value of Porter. I would rather have some picks, but not sure how, only the #69 and NO's 5th and 6th would match value, and I don't think NO would want to trade that #69 pick as they don't have their high 3rd rounder - Houston as the top two picks in the third round!!!

The orginal version was something like this:

Jets trade up to the #2 spot, including #117 overall (maybe #103 instead) - this is where the value is way out of whack - but this was part of the discussion when ML's new Agent was trying to orchestrate this trade...via rumor, inside hearings...

Shortly after trading the #4 and #117 to move up to #2, the Jets trade with Oakland's #7 spot - the details might look like this:

Oakland gets the #2 from the Jets (previously NO).
The Jets get #7, #38 and #69 as well as Porter. - this again is close in Value Chart.

Now, the attempt here was for the draft to go like this:

Hou - Bush
Oak - Leinart
Ten - Young
NOS - Williams
GBP - Hawk
SFF - Davis
NYJ - D'Brick

Then, the Jets would trade D'Brick (and Porter?) to NO for M. Williams.

This way, NO pays less for D'Brick - a real need player, plus they get Porter (someone else they can use).

The Jets get M. Williams, add a high second round pick (two before our current one), and a high 3rd round pick (again two before our current one).

To me, everyone wins...Oakland gets Lienart (but I think they really want someone else - Young, Williams, ...) on day one.

New Orleans gets the guy they probably will end of drafting if they stay at #2, for #7 salary, plus Porter and a mid 4th round pick (#117).

The Jets get the guy they will like at #4, plus add two first day picks at the top part of each of the second and third rounds - but they give up the "Herm" 4th rounder...

Here's the deal: The 49ers said today that they are staying pat with the #6 pick. The Jets are now looking to move down & draft Cutler or draft Ferguson at #4. The Titans are staying pat to take Leinart at #3. Green Bay wants Hawk bad if he falls to them at #5. If this is all true, we cannot trade down with Oakland or we will lose Hawk & Ferguson. Hopefully, we will take Hawk at #2.

Smitty, um....thankyou. I see it as clear as Ricky Williams sees the NFL substance abuse policy. I'll read it again...(I'm from Idaho). :P

they want mario more if hes there

You can have Mario with your wasted pick. Take Lienart and screw up the draft for everyone else. Or just fall on our sword and take Hawk. No other selection will do at #2.

Me thinks the Jets are salivating for Leinart. They will get him some how, some way. Just a gut feelin'.




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I think the Jets want Matt a ton too, but I also think Tannenbaum is willing to stand fast and gamble. I think the Titans are still kinda split on the Young/Leinart pick (who's been watching their sportscenter?? :wink: ), but in the end I think they want Leinart. I also think the Raiders want Huff, but Al Davis has a man-crush on Young.

Any of them could trade up with us, but in the end I think it will be either Titans trade with us for an alright set of picks, or the Raiders do and we drop to #7 w/ a good player (Porter) and some later picks.

I want Hawk at #2, but doubt that happens. Leinart is trade bait, but never going to be picked up by us (thanks goodness). The biggest thing I'd like out of a trade is a 3rd round pick.

I'm a little tired of the Bongo thing but I do continue to monitor other boards. The latest in that trade thing is NO and NYJ are out altogether. It is just a straight TN-OAK deal that is being worked on. The other was too tricky with SF and GB uncooperative.