Two questions about picking straight up with #2

chRxis · 04-27-2006, 01:02 PM

i think that spitz out of louisville or eslinger from minnesota would be just as good for our offense as mangold... you also have to think do you want 2 rookies starting for your offensive line at the same time (assuming we draft ferguson)? everything right now from everyone on this board or others is speculation and opinion... i was just adding mine...

chRxis · 04-27-2006, 01:05 PM

i really do believe that LB is an area of need, just not the most important area of need right now... i even think that CB as leaped up past LB for us on the need ladder... especially if d. smith is dealt (i'm very much in favor of switching him to CB opp. mckenzie)... have bullocks and bellamy/scott/stoutmire at safety... maybe draft bullocks' twin later if possible... who knows... nobody has a clue (including me) at this point... i just hope we don't look back 5 years from now and say "why did we draft that loser?" ala jonathan "don't touch my plate, i ain't finished yet" sullivan

LKelley67 · 04-27-2006, 01:06 PM

I know you love Mangold Deuce. I do too. But unless a trade happens I think he will be gone before #34. The Bengals have a Gandy-like 36 yr old to be center. Even more likely is Pittsburgh with no center. They have lifetime 34 yr old guard Hartings on the depth chart.

JimBone · 04-27-2006, 01:09 PM

How about the saints sending the number 2 pick in the draft to green bay for the number 5 pick, a 3rd rounder and Javon Walker? Since the Saints are meeting with Walker today, that seems like a good deal.

chRxis · 04-27-2006, 01:11 PM

i agree... mangold to the steelers at #32... unless lendale white slips to them (good possibility) then they'll have some thinking to do at that point... but i don't see lendale falling past carolina...

LKelley67 · 04-27-2006, 01:15 PM

The five spot would be an ideal place to land Hawk JimBone. The Packers have NEVER traded up in recent history and stated they have no interest in trade either. They are hardlining Walker since he said he would retire before playing there again. Thus, trading him does not seem to be a must. That would be a good deal though. I like sending Stallworth for him straight up. Both similar in money/contract status. Pack gets someone who will at least play, we get a better performer (even if just for one season).

TheDeuce · 04-27-2006, 01:18 PM

Every mock draft that I've seen has Mangold falling to the Saints at #34 (except for crackhead Pat Kirwan who had him going #14 to the Eagles). All I'm saying is that we need LB help, and Hawk is the perfect fit. He's the kind of guy that leads a defense. We also need a center, and we HAVE to find a way to get Mangold.

chRxis · 04-27-2006, 01:24 PM

i agree whole heartedly deuce... we need LB and hawk would be the absolute perfect fit... but we are talking about the best choice at #2 that we can possibly get... while hawk would be a great get, the best get, considering the shape our offensive line is in at the present time, would be ferguson... we have some competent LB's (finally) but our offensive line is depleted... we need someone up front to protect our new investment, b/c if not, you could have the all-madden LB corps and it wouldn't matter if you have bouman at the helm... see where i'm coming from.... the defense is missing a piece and hawk would fill it better than anyone else out there, but could a thomas howard or jon alston come in and help out immediately... i definitely think they could, while it wouldn't be as good as hawk... could an eric winston or andrew whitworth come in and excel like a ferguson... probably not... that's why i think you have to get ferguson with this pick... i've been wrong before and i'll be wrong again, maybe about this very subject, but we'll see saturday

hagan714 · 04-27-2006, 01:42 PM

Heck I am at the point now to agree with LKELLY67 here and the mid pick point of view. Heck trade with denver and take Greenway or Carpenter at 15 and take all those extra picks. dream
Serious side, I think if we take picks high next year we will trade out. Two years in the cat bird seat is better than one. Bush, DBrick, AJ, are the team needs. Mario and Davis are luxary picks that will be good but Davis wins out on versitility. Though Mario playing as a #3 DE and learning OLB for a year is some thing to think about.
AT 34 mangold would be sweet but i am not counting on it. we will see who drops from round 1, CB, then decide. I see us trading here and picking later in the round.

04-27-2006, 01:18 PM	#17
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Every mock draft that I've seen has Mangold falling to the Saints at #34 (except for crackhead Pat Kirwan who had him going #14 to the Eagles). All I'm saying is that we need LB help, and Hawk is the perfect fit. He's the kind of guy that leads a defense. We also need a center, and we HAVE to find a way to get Mangold.
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04-27-2006, 01:42 PM	#19
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Heck I am at the point now to agree with LKELLY67 here and the mid pick point of view. Heck trade with denver and take Greenway or Carpenter at 15 and take all those extra picks. dream Serious side, I think if we take picks high next year we will trade out. Two years in the cat bird seat is better than one. Bush, DBrick, AJ, are the team needs. Mario and Davis are luxary picks that will be good but Davis wins out on versitility. Though Mario playing as a #3 DE and learning OLB for a year is some thing to think about. AT 34 mangold would be sweet but i am not counting on it. we will see who drops from round 1, CB, then decide. I see us trading here and picking later in the round.
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04-27-2006, 01:02 PM	#11
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	i think that spitz out of louisville or eslinger from minnesota would be just as good for our offense as mangold... you also have to think do you want 2 rookies starting for your offensive line at the same time (assuming we draft ferguson)? everything right now from everyone on this board or others is speculation and opinion... i was just adding mine...

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04-27-2006, 01:05 PM	#12
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	i really do believe that LB is an area of need, just not the most important area of need right now... i even think that CB as leaped up past LB for us on the need ladder... especially if d. smith is dealt (i'm very much in favor of switching him to CB opp. mckenzie)... have bullocks and bellamy/scott/stoutmire at safety... maybe draft bullocks' twin later if possible... who knows... nobody has a clue (including me) at this point... i just hope we don't look back 5 years from now and say "why did we draft that loser?" ala jonathan "don't touch my plate, i ain't finished yet" sullivan

04-27-2006, 01:06 PM	#13
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	I know you love Mangold Deuce. I do too. But unless a trade happens I think he will be gone before #34. The Bengals have a Gandy-like 36 yr old to be center. Even more likely is Pittsburgh with no center. They have lifetime 34 yr old guard Hartings on the depth chart.

04-27-2006, 01:09 PM	#14
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	How about the saints sending the number 2 pick in the draft to green bay for the number 5 pick, a 3rd rounder and Javon Walker? Since the Saints are meeting with Walker today, that seems like a good deal.

04-27-2006, 01:11 PM	#15
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	i agree... mangold to the steelers at #32... unless lendale white slips to them (good possibility) then they'll have some thinking to do at that point... but i don't see lendale falling past carolina...

04-27-2006, 01:15 PM	#16
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	The five spot would be an ideal place to land Hawk JimBone. The Packers have NEVER traded up in recent history and stated they have no interest in trade either. They are hardlining Walker since he said he would retire before playing there again. Thus, trading him does not seem to be a must. That would be a good deal though. I like sending Stallworth for him straight up. Both similar in money/contract status. Pack gets someone who will at least play, we get a better performer (even if just for one season).

04-27-2006, 01:24 PM	#18
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	i agree whole heartedly deuce... we need LB and hawk would be the absolute perfect fit... but we are talking about the best choice at #2 that we can possibly get... while hawk would be a great get, the best get, considering the shape our offensive line is in at the present time, would be ferguson... we have some competent LB's (finally) but our offensive line is depleted... we need someone up front to protect our new investment, b/c if not, you could have the all-madden LB corps and it wouldn't matter if you have bouman at the helm... see where i'm coming from.... the defense is missing a piece and hawk would fill it better than anyone else out there, but could a thomas howard or jon alston come in and help out immediately... i definitely think they could, while it wouldn't be as good as hawk... could an eric winston or andrew whitworth come in and excel like a ferguson... probably not... that's why i think you have to get ferguson with this pick... i've been wrong before and i'll be wrong again, maybe about this very subject, but we'll see saturday