Payton the QB guru right?

BrooksMustGo · 04-27-2006, 10:28 AM

Hey everyone,

I was ruminating on Payton's career with QBs. Particularly in terms of how he has spent a career getting very good results from average guys.

For example, Kerry Collins took the Giants to the superbowl while working with Payton.
Payton got very good results with 3 different QBs in 3 different years with the Cowboys--Carter, Vinny and Bledsoe.

Is there a QB in the draft that it would be good to pick up just to see what Payton could get out of him? In particular, I'm curious whether Payton is the guy to turn someone like Cutler into a big time player? Then we could trade down and have a slew of picks and a premeire talent. Or if Payton could accelerate Vince Young's learning curve (honestly guys, he even made Qunincy Carter look servicable). Or if Payton could make a late round pick into a franchise player.

spkb25 · 04-27-2006, 10:33 AM

after simms recent article on cutler and some other things i have heard i really like that kid. me don't like no vince young

hagan714 · 04-27-2006, 10:53 AM

Any of them i guess. that is his thing. I look at brains as his key factor. he has never really picked the QB he wanted, so this could be fun. I think no QB until the 7th. or FA.
Brett Basanez QB 6'1" 220 NORTHWESTERN
Jeff Mroz Yale 6-5 230

BrooksMustGo · 04-28-2006, 01:34 PM

Mroz is an interesting prospect to me too. I just did some looking into him after seeing the SI article this morning. I wonder who Payton would have ready first--Mroz or Amac?

TheDeuce · 04-28-2006, 01:55 PM

I voted for Vince Young just because of that Quincy Carter comparison, BMG. I really hope we don't take a QB, and especially VY, but I think it'd be interesting to see what he could get out of Vince. I'm also glad that Brooks is gone, but I thought it would at least be interesting to see what he could do with AB.

But I am really excited to see with a GOOD quarterback. If he can turn average quarterbacks into 3000 yard passers, then I can't wait to see what he's going to do with a guy who is already a 3000 yard passer.

xan · 04-28-2006, 01:59 PM

I saw Mroz in action last year against Princeton. He made a ton of mistakes. It never occured to me that I might be watching a prospective professional quarterback.

zachsaints52 · 04-28-2006, 02:37 PM

I picked OMar Jacobs, but I wanna change it to Brodie Croyle.... well, I would like to see either one. Mainly because we can use a lower pick on them, and if they produced it would be like YAY, and if not than we can say we didn't use a high rounder on them.

TheDeuce · 04-28-2006, 02:39 PM

We won't be bale to use a lower pick on Croyle. He'll go in the second round.

zachsaints52 · 04-28-2006, 02:43 PM

True, but he won't be used with our first rounder, thats all I really care about... not using our first on a QB.

saintswhodi · 04-28-2006, 02:46 PM

Interested to see what he could do with Brooks? BLASPHEMY!!!!! Yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck.

04-27-2006, 10:28 AM	#1
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Payton the QB guru right? Hey everyone, I was ruminating on Payton's career with QBs. Particularly in terms of how he has spent a career getting very good results from average guys. For example, Kerry Collins took the Giants to the superbowl while working with Payton. Payton got very good results with 3 different QBs in 3 different years with the Cowboys--Carter, Vinny and Bledsoe. Is there a QB in the draft that it would be good to pick up just to see what Payton could get out of him? In particular, I'm curious whether Payton is the guy to turn someone like Cutler into a big time player? Then we could trade down and have a slew of picks and a premeire talent. Or if Payton could accelerate Vince Young's learning curve (honestly guys, he even made Qunincy Carter look servicable). Or if Payton could make a late round pick into a franchise player.
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04-27-2006, 10:33 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	RE: Payton the QB guru right? after simms recent article on cutler and some other things i have heard i really like that kid. me don't like no vince young

04-27-2006, 10:53 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	RE: Payton the QB guru right? Any of them i guess. that is his thing. I look at brains as his key factor. he has never really picked the QB he wanted, so this could be fun. I think no QB until the 7th. or FA. Brett Basanez QB 6'1" 220 NORTHWESTERN Jeff Mroz Yale 6-5 230

04-28-2006, 01:34 PM	#4
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	RE: Payton the QB guru right? Mroz is an interesting prospect to me too. I just did some looking into him after seeing the SI article this morning. I wonder who Payton would have ready first--Mroz or Amac?

04-28-2006, 01:55 PM	#5
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: Payton the QB guru right? I voted for Vince Young just because of that Quincy Carter comparison, BMG. I really hope we don't take a QB, and especially VY, but I think it'd be interesting to see what he could get out of Vince. I'm also glad that Brooks is gone, but I thought it would at least be interesting to see what he could do with AB. But I am really excited to see with a GOOD quarterback. If he can turn average quarterbacks into 3000 yard passers, then I can't wait to see what he's going to do with a guy who is already a 3000 yard passer.
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04-28-2006, 01:59 PM	#6
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	RE: Payton the QB guru right? I saw Mroz in action last year against Princeton. He made a ton of mistakes. It never occured to me that I might be watching a prospective professional quarterback.

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zachsaints52 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 522	RE: Payton the QB guru right? I picked OMar Jacobs, but I wanna change it to Brodie Croyle.... well, I would like to see either one. Mainly because we can use a lower pick on them, and if they produced it would be like YAY, and if not than we can say we didn't use a high rounder on them.

04-28-2006, 02:39 PM	#8
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: Payton the QB guru right? We won't be bale to use a lower pick on Croyle. He'll go in the second round.
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