Your Monday Morning Draft Grade

DJLengai · 05-01-2006, 06:28 PM

Here's my 2 cents:

I'm happy we got Bush, he was a must pick and we're fortunate to have him. I'm sad that Deuce will be leaving next season most probably, but that's life.

I'm glad we picked up Hollis. That will help the D well. He's a solid run stopper. I understand our #2 pick, but with Smith, Bellamy, Stoutmire, Bullocks, and Gleason we have plenty of safeties. Why didn't we get Abdul Hodge?

The rest of the picks are good ones. As for Faine, I know he is productive when he can play, but is injury prone so I'm concerned he will turn out like Bosselli did for the Texans.

smyce · 05-01-2006, 06:40 PM

The only reason anyone is even considering this draft a B is because we did took the no brainer approach and picked the best player in the world. We didnt address any needs through the draft.

Now, we got Faine, who will be more than serviceable, but we could have nailed some needs with our PICKS. We didnt do that.

The truth is this draft should get only a C. I feel we blew the second round big time. We needed LB or CB which we could have gotten. We go with Harper who we could have maybe traded down got more picks and still got Harper. Without, Bush this is an easy D or F. Bush gets it a C. To give it an A..thats just rose colored glasses. No way its an A, B is a stretch. C is where it should be.

saintswhodi · 05-01-2006, 06:45 PM

Yes they overspent because if they didn't, then Bentley would have come back here. This situation is no different than any other free agent signing: the new team in the picture usually has to spend more money than the encumbent team in order to get the guy away.

Uh, no. LeCharles already said he didn't wanna come back here AND that he wanted to play for Cleveland before FA even started. We didn't even franchise him, so NO he would not have come back here, and NO Cleveland did not HAVE to overpay to get him. What they did was make sure that he didn't visit anyone else. But he openly said he wanted to play for Cleveland.

What is that saying? That says that we didn't have a better option! I mean it's really that simple whodi

So "we didn't have a better option" is supposed to make me happy? Please. We don't have a better option than Sully at DT and it makes me wanna puke. "We didn't have a better option" is not a winning argument. But so what I gave them a C and I am not enamored with a former number one pick the Browns couldn't wait to unload. So what? Does it kill you that much? I AM NOT EXCITED ABOUT GETTING A BROWNS THROWAWAY. Apparently you are. Kudos. Maybe this will be the first year out of his career he plays the whole season. But it's MY OPINION, you have yours. Why can't that be good enough?

papz · 05-01-2006, 06:58 PM

C+ just because the 6th and 7th round picks were outstanding... and we got a couple of vets. 2-5 blew monkey poop and whether or not Bush was the sensible pick, you really can't pass up on the best player in the draft. He gets an A regardless.

TheDeuce · 05-01-2006, 08:54 PM

Uh, no. LeCharles already said he didn't wanna come back here AND that he wanted to play for Cleveland before FA even started. We didn't even franchise him, so NO he would not have come back here, and NO Cleveland did not HAVE to overpay to get him. What they did was make sure that he didn't visit anyone else. But he openly said he wanted to play for Cleveland.

If he wanted to go to Cleveland so badly, don't you think that he would have signed with them as long as they offered the same amount as the Saints? If he wanted to go there so badly, the Browns would have known that they didn't have to overspend because he was going there regardless.

So "we didn't have a better option" is supposed to make me happy?

No, not necessarily. It doesn't make me happy that we don't have a Pro Bowler at every position, but that's just how it is. Seriously, what do you think we should have done about the center position? The way I see it, we did the best possible thing. Hell, if we could do the impossible, then things would be a lot easier, but of course, we all know that the impossible is, well, impossible.

And also, he's not exactly a "throw away" either, we had to trade for him.

BiggPoppaFro4 · 05-01-2006, 09:06 PM

I give us a solid B -- more than I can say for my high school grades....

We got Bush...nuff said. Dude is a blessing and this time last week I was simply hoping we wouldn't nab Williams. Don't get much better. I'm convinced that Haz would have jumped ona trade that wouldn't have gotten us value...or reached for a player.

All of our other picks give us great young depth. Something we can really use. And the more I read about Harper, the more I like him. Haas is gonna be a special guy...our Ricky Proehl. And it looks like we got some solid FA pick ups afterward. We also did a great job of using our picks as force multipliers to get solid vet talent without giving up a ton (Washington on the other hand raped themselves once again -- dumba****)

I think the draft also helps us inanother area. We had to pretty much sell out to get Brees here. We all knew getting some , not all, FAs to come here would be hard. Now with the prospect of playing with Brees, McAllister, Horn, Stallworth and now Bush will help us get some of those big names that will come up soon, and at the June 1 cuts.

saintswhodi · 05-01-2006, 09:13 PM

If he wanted to go to Cleveland so badly, don't you think that he would have signed with them as long as they offered the same amount as the Saints? If he wanted to go there so badly, the Browns would have known that they didn't have to overspend because he was going there regardless.

Okay, um wow. The Saints didn't offer him ANYTHING, but there were other teams interested. LeCharles stated his desire to play for Cleveland, and Cleveland gave him a contract that would keep him from even visiting anyone else. LEt's get this clear, the Saints DID NOT have the option to keep LeCharles given that they did not franchise him. You can stop using them as an example.

Seriously, what do you think we should have done about the center position?

I would have rolled with Nesbit or Goodwin. From what Faine's career has been, he;s not THAT much of an improvement. I still see Cleveland RBs getting mauled in the backfield and their QBs chased all over the field. AND if Romeo Crennel doesn't want a guy, I have my doubts about him too.

And also, he's not exactly a "throw away" either, we had to trade for him.

I don't think we had to. He has been rumored to be on the block or set to be cut since they got LeCharles. I think he woulda been a June 1st cut anyway. But we traded for him, moved back, and drafted a reach at a position we don't need. Yippee. Again, you have your opinion, I have mine. I have no idea why it can't be left at that.

TheDeuce · 05-01-2006, 10:32 PM

Here's me leaving it at that.

LKelley67 · 05-01-2006, 10:59 PM

I know you need to unwind some on the Faine issue Whodi. I won't get into debate about it. In time I think you will at a bare minimum realize he is most definitely a better option than Goodwin or Nesbit.

I have my own questions about all of the picks too actually. I do give the new regime a lot of leeway to show me what they got though. To move down nine picks in the 2nd and 4th round and acquire two veterans that get penciled in as starters in addition to picks I count as very saavy moves.

Also I will state again we should realize this regime will not be signing any T.O.s or Dale Carter types. Plenty of other teams passed on Justice, Wroten, and Jimmy Williams for the character issue primarily. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes we do not know about. Not much of the public knows Rodrique Wright, a DT projected as a 1st rder last yr, will have to have major shoulder surgery before the season- thus 7th rd.

The two veterans added as a part of the draft in essence and Strief and the Hass picks pushes the draft grade higher than just Reggie IMO.

05-01-2006, 06:28 PM	#21
DJLengai 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 168	Here's my 2 cents: I'm happy we got Bush, he was a must pick and we're fortunate to have him. I'm sad that Deuce will be leaving next season most probably, but that's life. I'm glad we picked up Hollis. That will help the D well. He's a solid run stopper. I understand our #2 pick, but with Smith, Bellamy, Stoutmire, Bullocks, and Gleason we have plenty of safeties. Why didn't we get Abdul Hodge? The rest of the picks are good ones. As for Faine, I know he is productive when he can play, but is injury prone so I'm concerned he will turn out like Bosselli did for the Texans.
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05-01-2006, 06:45 PM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Yes they overspent because if they didn't, then Bentley would have come back here. This situation is no different than any other free agent signing: the new team in the picture usually has to spend more money than the encumbent team in order to get the guy away. Uh, no. LeCharles already said he didn't wanna come back here AND that he wanted to play for Cleveland before FA even started. We didn't even franchise him, so NO he would not have come back here, and NO Cleveland did not HAVE to overpay to get him. What they did was make sure that he didn't visit anyone else. But he openly said he wanted to play for Cleveland. What is that saying? That says that we didn't have a better option! I mean it's really that simple whodi So "we didn't have a better option" is supposed to make me happy? Please. We don't have a better option than Sully at DT and it makes me wanna puke. "We didn't have a better option" is not a winning argument. But so what I gave them a C and I am not enamored with a former number one pick the Browns couldn't wait to unload. So what? Does it kill you that much? I AM NOT EXCITED ABOUT GETTING A BROWNS THROWAWAY. Apparently you are. Kudos. Maybe this will be the first year out of his career he plays the whole season. But it's MY OPINION, you have yours. Why can't that be good enough?

05-01-2006, 08:54 PM	#25
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Uh, no. LeCharles already said he didn't wanna come back here AND that he wanted to play for Cleveland before FA even started. We didn't even franchise him, so NO he would not have come back here, and NO Cleveland did not HAVE to overpay to get him. What they did was make sure that he didn't visit anyone else. But he openly said he wanted to play for Cleveland. If he wanted to go to Cleveland so badly, don't you think that he would have signed with them as long as they offered the same amount as the Saints? If he wanted to go there so badly, the Browns would have known that they didn't have to overspend because he was going there regardless. So "we didn't have a better option" is supposed to make me happy? No, not necessarily. It doesn't make me happy that we don't have a Pro Bowler at every position, but that's just how it is. Seriously, what do you think we should have done about the center position? The way I see it, we did the best possible thing. Hell, if we could do the impossible, then things would be a lot easier, but of course, we all know that the impossible is, well, impossible. And also, he's not exactly a "throw away" either, we had to trade for him.
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05-01-2006, 09:06 PM	#26
BiggPoppaFro4 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 231	I give us a solid B -- more than I can say for my high school grades.... We got Bush...nuff said. Dude is a blessing and this time last week I was simply hoping we wouldn't nab Williams. Don't get much better. I'm convinced that Haz would have jumped ona trade that wouldn't have gotten us value...or reached for a player. All of our other picks give us great young depth. Something we can really use. And the more I read about Harper, the more I like him. Haas is gonna be a special guy...our Ricky Proehl. And it looks like we got some solid FA pick ups afterward. We also did a great job of using our picks as force multipliers to get solid vet talent without giving up a ton (Washington on the other hand raped themselves once again -- dumba****) I think the draft also helps us inanother area. We had to pretty much sell out to get Brees here. We all knew getting some , not all, FAs to come here would be hard. Now with the prospect of playing with Brees, McAllister, Horn, Stallworth and now Bush will help us get some of those big names that will come up soon, and at the June 1 cuts.
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05-01-2006, 09:13 PM	#27
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	If he wanted to go to Cleveland so badly, don't you think that he would have signed with them as long as they offered the same amount as the Saints? If he wanted to go there so badly, the Browns would have known that they didn't have to overspend because he was going there regardless. Okay, um wow. The Saints didn't offer him ANYTHING, but there were other teams interested. LeCharles stated his desire to play for Cleveland, and Cleveland gave him a contract that would keep him from even visiting anyone else. LEt's get this clear, the Saints DID NOT have the option to keep LeCharles given that they did not franchise him. You can stop using them as an example. Seriously, what do you think we should have done about the center position? I would have rolled with Nesbit or Goodwin. From what Faine's career has been, he;s not THAT much of an improvement. I still see Cleveland RBs getting mauled in the backfield and their QBs chased all over the field. AND if Romeo Crennel doesn't want a guy, I have my doubts about him too. And also, he's not exactly a "throw away" either, we had to trade for him. I don't think we had to. He has been rumored to be on the block or set to be cut since they got LeCharles. I think he woulda been a June 1st cut anyway. But we traded for him, moved back, and drafted a reach at a position we don't need. Yippee. Again, you have your opinion, I have mine. I have no idea why it can't be left at that.

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05-01-2006, 06:40 PM	#22
smyce 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cedar Falls, IA Posts: 184	The only reason anyone is even considering this draft a B is because we did took the no brainer approach and picked the best player in the world. We didnt address any needs through the draft. Now, we got Faine, who will be more than serviceable, but we could have nailed some needs with our PICKS. We didnt do that. The truth is this draft should get only a C. I feel we blew the second round big time. We needed LB or CB which we could have gotten. We go with Harper who we could have maybe traded down got more picks and still got Harper. Without, Bush this is an easy D or F. Bush gets it a C. To give it an A..thats just rose colored glasses. No way its an A, B is a stretch. C is where it should be.

05-01-2006, 06:58 PM	#24
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	C+ just because the 6th and 7th round picks were outstanding... and we got a couple of vets. 2-5 blew monkey poop and whether or not Bush was the sensible pick, you really can't pass up on the best player in the draft. He gets an A regardless.

05-01-2006, 10:32 PM	#28
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Here's me leaving it at that.
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05-01-2006, 10:59 PM	#29
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	I know you need to unwind some on the Faine issue Whodi. I won't get into debate about it. In time I think you will at a bare minimum realize he is most definitely a better option than Goodwin or Nesbit. I have my own questions about all of the picks too actually. I do give the new regime a lot of leeway to show me what they got though. To move down nine picks in the 2nd and 4th round and acquire two veterans that get penciled in as starters in addition to picks I count as very saavy moves. Also I will state again we should realize this regime will not be signing any T.O.s or Dale Carter types. Plenty of other teams passed on Justice, Wroten, and Jimmy Williams for the character issue primarily. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes we do not know about. Not much of the public knows Rodrique Wright, a DT projected as a 1st rder last yr, will have to have major shoulder surgery before the season- thus 7th rd. The two veterans added as a part of the draft in essence and Strief and the Hass picks pushes the draft grade higher than just Reggie IMO.