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TallySaint 05-23-2006 08:35 AM

The Biletnikoff Award
 
Info, history, past winners, etc...


http://www.biletnikoffaward.com/



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saintswhodi 05-23-2006 08:39 AM

Seems like a boom or bust award for players. A few good-great receivers, and numerous busts. Hopefully Haas will at a minimum fall somewhere in between.

D_it_up 05-23-2006 11:30 AM

Does anyone notice that there were only 2 receivers who were finalists twice? Bobby Engram won it his first year as a finalist....The other was in-state product Troy Edwards....He won it his 2nd year as a finalist. Too bad he didn't pan out like the Steelers thought he would.

JimBone 05-23-2006 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
Seems like a boom or bust award for players. A few good-great receivers, and numerous busts. Hopefully Haas will at a minimum fall somewhere in between.

I dont think Mike Haas has to worry about being a bust. He was a 6th round pick. If he flops, big deal. No one expects anyone to be a superstar as a 6th rounder. If it happens, then great, we got a steal...but if it doesnt, you cant call him a bust.

saintswhodi 05-23-2006 12:52 PM

Don't let the he's the next Danny Abromwicz/Eric Martin people hear you say that. I have even seen him called the best receiver in the draft on here. And I wasn't so much saying he could be a bust, as saying the award seems to produce players who boom or bust. Guess I shoulda been more clear. But some feelings will be hurt if he doesn't pan out.

JimBone 05-23-2006 12:54 PM

Well, i am in the minority apparently, but i think if this guy catches 20 balls this year that will be alot. Hey, maybe down the road he turns into a decent possession guy, but i dont ever see him being a pro bowl player or even a starter. I do like the move getting him in the 6th round, but any of those comparisons are just crazy.

saintswhodi 05-23-2006 12:57 PM

I guess we're both in the minority, cause I couldn't agree more.

JimBone 05-23-2006 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
I guess we're both in the minority, cause I couldn't agree more.

If only we could agree on Donte Stallworth...

saintswhodi 05-23-2006 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JimBone
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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
I guess we're both in the minority, cause I couldn't agree more.

If only we could agree on Donte Stallworth...

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, but I do have some crows nesting in the backyard to cook up for ya. :P

JimBone 05-23-2006 01:08 PM

Yum yum gimme some...i hope he breaks out...i do...and if he does, both of us will be happy and you will be sitting here smiling and telling everyone i told you so. And you will say it is all because of Payton and Brees, and i am going to say that it is because he wants the big money...so we can do all of this again next year...but at least it will be interesting.

saintswhodi 05-23-2006 01:15 PM

Me, an I told you so type person??? Naaaawwww. I just sit back and wait for the "you were rights" to roll in. :wink:

JimBone 05-23-2006 01:23 PM

well, you wont get it from me...because if he does deliver, i firmly believe it will be for a completely different reason.

saintswhodi 05-23-2006 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JimBone
well, you wont get it from me...because if he does deliver, i firmly believe it will be for a completely different reason.

Well, that's a cop out. You have a built in reason not to give the man any credit, or not to give anyone else credit for having faith in the man. Pretty weak bro, pretty weak.

JimBone 05-23-2006 01:43 PM

Whoa whoa whoa...if you want to go back to when all of this first started, the first thing i said was that i like Stallworth, and i more than anyone else want to see him do well. But, i just have this feeling about him that he doesnt have the drive to be great. His inconsistency is beyond comprehension. He has lacked focus his entire career. He got blasted by his coach for sitting out games where they thought he could have played. Now i know there are two sides to that story, and that is why i am pulling for him. I would love him to be the number 1 guy here and break all the records that Joe has set...but i think the main thing that will drive him this year is the fact that if he performs well, he gets the pay raise...and then what? Does he revert back to his old ways or does he strive to get better? I just want to get to a point where i know what to expect from him, and that has never been the case.

saintswhodi 05-23-2006 01:51 PM

I don't really wanna argue about it, but you just said if he does well, in your mind it's ALREADY cause he was looking ahead to a new contract. That's a cop out to me. So pretty much, nothing Donte does will satisfy you, cause even if he does well, you think it's for some ulterior motive. Well, I can't do anything about that, and I guess there's no expecting you to tip your hat to those who kept the faith in Donte. No worries.

WHODATNJ 05-23-2006 01:57 PM

Oregon Stats
2003 38 receptions for 1013 yards, 7 TD
2004 86 receptions for 1379 yards, 7 TD
2005 90 receptions for 1532 yards, 6 TD 150+ yards in 7 games in 2005
This guy has better hands than any reciever on our roster. He does not drop catchable balls. His stats show outstanding proggresion over his three years at Oregon. This guy is arguably the best reciever in his draft class.

JimBone 05-23-2006 01:58 PM

You are saying it like i dont want Donte to do well. I will be the happiest person here if he does. As a saints fan, its easy to convince yourself that players try to do well for the team, or for the city, or just to be great...i dont feel he is that type of player unless he does well this year, gets his money, and continues to get better...thats all i ask for...or even if he does well this year, can finally have back to back solid games, and gives this team a chance to compete, i will be cheering for him...and hey, i hope i am wrong when i say what i say about why he would play better, but only time will tell...I just cant believe that you, the most self-proclaimed "realistic" saints fan, wont even think that him playing for the contract is an option. Hey, if i am wrong, i'll admit it...but i have to look at this situation from every angle and that is one that i believe is a viable possibility given his past production and lack of development.

saintswhodi 05-23-2006 02:08 PM

Wait, I never said it wasn't an option, I just said it's a cop out. That's like if those who have the faith in Donte just said, "Well, if he does poorly, it's cause it's a new system and not cause of Donte." That would be a cop out. If he does poorly, I am 100% ready to accept the fact that my faith in Donte was mis-guided. But on the flip side, you aren't prepared to say your outlook on him as a player was off. you'll just say he did it cause he wants money. That's a cop out. Now, you're talking to a guy who didn't want to give Joe a new contract before his old one ran out cause I felt he played through injury to get that deal, and once he got it, playing through injury would not be as important. Enter last season. How many games did Joe actually end up playing? So I am not saying I don't recognize the validity of your argument, but it leaves no room for you to admit people's faith in Donte was well placed. That's why I called it a cop out.

FatiusJeebs 05-23-2006 02:40 PM

I've been saying it all along.....the man is the white version of Eric Martin. Not too fast....not too quick.....with crazy glue in his hands. I have faith in Hass. I'm obviously a sucker for underdogs...as much as I am excited about Reggie....I want Hass to succeed. I'll be sporting his jersey instead. Thats if they make it of course.

saintswhodi 05-23-2006 02:48 PM

If they don't, you can get your own made. I am waiting for the league to say Reggie can at least wear 5 in 2007, and i''ll get my 5 bush jersey this year. Now watch how many people do the same. 8)

WHODATNJ 05-23-2006 02:53 PM

I am definately a big fan of the underdog. I think he will challenge for a the third or back up Horn.

JimBone 05-23-2006 08:23 PM

You can call it what you want...If Donte were to excel this year and the year after he got the big money, I will pleased enough to say that i was completely wrong about him. I am rooting for him, and to be quite honest, i dont care what it is that drives him to do well this year, so long as he catches the ball.

pokeytolman 05-23-2006 08:34 PM

oregon state
 
Please, Please, Please. Hass is from Oregon State not University of Oregon. I'm a OSU fan and Hate the Ducks!

croger1224 05-23-2006 08:49 PM

some good names on that board but i can twait too see this guy i think he can be a faster kieth poole type guy which would be great i always thought he was over shadowed just like hass because of speeed. a five yard hitch doesnt amount to much if you cant catch granted brooks has been throwing behind our recievers for like the past 4 years


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