James Allen gone for the year

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 04:05 PM

Ok, i'll just continue to disagree with your dissertation. Pretty much noone but those players can convince me that they will not continue to suck. And for the record, I never said Colby sucked, I said he would make a good special teamer, that's all. :P

But the way you speak, it's like you believe there can't be a terrible player on a team, just cause they are on the team. NFL rosters are littered with terrible players, but you gotta have 53 men suit up on sundays, so some people make it through. Just cause they are still here, does not mean someone isn't terrible, it just means there is noone less terrible out there to get. Like I told papz, we would have taken AJ Hawk if Bush would have been gone. What does that say about Colby? He damn sure would not have been starting.

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Look at it this way. We are dealing with Coach Payton. Mr. Character. The bottom line is this.....if Colby was that terrible we would probably let him go somehow.

Like sullivan? Oh wait, he's still here and more than likely starting.

He costs too much against the cap to cut. So, as you suggested, no option here.

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

You must mean like bouman? Oh wait, still here.

The signing of Martin means he is gone come June 1st.

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Then you HAVE to mean like Jacox right? Nope still here.

He was cut. Remember?

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Ok, I am 100% certain you mean like Craft. What? He's still here too?

He will be cut during training camp. We have undrafted rookies better than him.

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Can we add Carney to that list?

Also gone come August.

So no option on Sullivan, like I said, and it's your OPINION Craft and Carney will be gone in August or training camp. Okay. the point was about players who are here NOW, but okay. Whatever. I wasn't sure about Jacox, but thank God he's gone.

TallySaint · 05-25-2006, 04:14 PM

So, not only do you have a problem with projection, you have an Oedipus complex. This is not convincing me you're any less psychotic. Wink

In all seriousness, I actually have alot to say but have little time to say it. Unfortunately, my situation and computer time only allows me short thoughts. When my computer was up and running at home and I was able complete full thoughts and contribute to the conversations.

Until my computer woes are fixed on the homefront, I'll just have to continue to read and learn from all you and contribute only with short responses and questions. I've even written some thoughts and inquiries at home on paper only to find lack of proper time during the day persue them.

My apologies to those whose feathers I've ruffled. I'll try to be a good boy from here on out. Maybe.

Thanks a bunch to all of you for expanding my knowledge and love of the Saints - from a relatively new Saints fan.

8)

BJSim · 05-25-2006, 04:15 PM

Craft won't be gone because the injury settlement wouldn't be worth it. If a player is out because of injury, the team has to make a deal with the player pay-wise to cut him.

papz · 05-25-2006, 04:30 PM

We made this into a hot topic... 8) I'm pretty much said everything I needed to say and I'll end it with this.

I can see why many people doubt Colby. His inability to wrap up tackles, he over run plays, and doesn't play discipline enough to believe that he can contribute at MLB. But, I'm trying to focus on the fact he's always around the ball, he's determined and has a great work ethic, and he now has better players around him. He had 93 tackles last year while playing undisciplined. I think his tackling woes can be fixed and he's going to continue to get better... he's still very young. No one including myself knows if he'll be able to handle the load, but let's not write him off so quickly. He could surprise a lot of people. I'm pretty sure if the coaching staff didn't feel he could handle it, we would have brought in more competition for that spot.

And yes, if Hawk would have been drafted by us, he would have been handed our starting MLB position and Colby would have been our top backup. But, that's not necessarily a knock on Colby... Hawk is just that good.

I do see what you're saying though sw... but things do happen. And the fact I like to root for the underdogs, that's what I'm hoping for... Colby to succeed and excel.

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 04:38 PM

He had 93 tackles last year while playing undisciplined.

NFL.com says he had 89, and only 60 were solo. :P :P :P

papz · 05-25-2006, 04:41 PM

89 ... 93... tomato... tomaaaato.

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 05:22 PM

60 solo. They give you assists if you pass by a tackle before the refs blows the whistle. So, from 60 solo, to 138. And Mr. Glass contributing. You're on a lot of limbs right now papzy.

papz · 05-25-2006, 05:43 PM

Look up Zach Thomas' career stats... I'll put Colby around 83 solo stops next year in the middle and around 130ish total. Doesn't look that hard to accomplish if I do say so myself. Hey I'm not the one that going to be surprised when it happens. Don't worry I'm not the type to rub it in either. :P

saintswhodi · 05-25-2006, 05:51 PM

You mean the Zack Thomas, who came in as a rookie with 120 solo tackles, 2 fumble forces and two recoveries, and even last year, after missing two games, forced 4 fumbles and had over 100 tackles? THAT Zack Thomas? You can;t seriously be comparing Colby to him huh? Surely you jest. Zack Thomas? Colby still hasn't forced a fumble. In two years. Not one. Don't diss Zack like that please.

05-25-2006, 04:07 PM	#62
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by wheelman Originally Posted by saintswhodi Look at it this way. We are dealing with Coach Payton. Mr. Character. The bottom line is this.....if Colby was that terrible we would probably let him go somehow. Like sullivan? Oh wait, he's still here and more than likely starting. He costs too much against the cap to cut. So, as you suggested, no option here. Originally Posted by saintswhodi You must mean like bouman? Oh wait, still here. The signing of Martin means he is gone come June 1st. Originally Posted by saintswhodi Then you HAVE to mean like Jacox right? Nope still here. He was cut. Remember? Originally Posted by saintswhodi Ok, I am 100% certain you mean like Craft. What? He's still here too? He will be cut during training camp. We have undrafted rookies better than him. Originally Posted by saintswhodi Can we add Carney to that list? Also gone come August. So no option on Sullivan, like I said, and it's your OPINION Craft and Carney will be gone in August or training camp. Okay. the point was about players who are here NOW, but okay. Whatever. I wasn't sure about Jacox, but thank God he's gone.

05-25-2006, 04:14 PM	#63
TallySaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,367	So, not only do you have a problem with projection, you have an Oedipus complex. This is not convincing me you're any less psychotic. Wink In all seriousness, I actually have alot to say but have little time to say it. Unfortunately, my situation and computer time only allows me short thoughts. When my computer was up and running at home and I was able complete full thoughts and contribute to the conversations. Until my computer woes are fixed on the homefront, I'll just have to continue to read and learn from all you and contribute only with short responses and questions. I've even written some thoughts and inquiries at home on paper only to find lack of proper time during the day persue them. My apologies to those whose feathers I've ruffled. I'll try to be a good boy from here on out. Maybe. Thanks a bunch to all of you for expanding my knowledge and love of the Saints - from a relatively new Saints fan. 8)
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05-25-2006, 04:05 PM	#61
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Ok, i'll just continue to disagree with your dissertation. Pretty much noone but those players can convince me that they will not continue to suck. And for the record, I never said Colby sucked, I said he would make a good special teamer, that's all. :P But the way you speak, it's like you believe there can't be a terrible player on a team, just cause they are on the team. NFL rosters are littered with terrible players, but you gotta have 53 men suit up on sundays, so some people make it through. Just cause they are still here, does not mean someone isn't terrible, it just means there is noone less terrible out there to get. Like I told papz, we would have taken AJ Hawk if Bush would have been gone. What does that say about Colby? He damn sure would not have been starting.

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05-25-2006, 04:15 PM	#64
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	Craft won't be gone because the injury settlement wouldn't be worth it. If a player is out because of injury, the team has to make a deal with the player pay-wise to cut him.

05-25-2006, 04:30 PM	#65
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	We made this into a hot topic... 8) I'm pretty much said everything I needed to say and I'll end it with this. I can see why many people doubt Colby. His inability to wrap up tackles, he over run plays, and doesn't play discipline enough to believe that he can contribute at MLB. But, I'm trying to focus on the fact he's always around the ball, he's determined and has a great work ethic, and he now has better players around him. He had 93 tackles last year while playing undisciplined. I think his tackling woes can be fixed and he's going to continue to get better... he's still very young. No one including myself knows if he'll be able to handle the load, but let's not write him off so quickly. He could surprise a lot of people. I'm pretty sure if the coaching staff didn't feel he could handle it, we would have brought in more competition for that spot. And yes, if Hawk would have been drafted by us, he would have been handed our starting MLB position and Colby would have been our top backup. But, that's not necessarily a knock on Colby... Hawk is just that good. I do see what you're saying though sw... but things do happen. And the fact I like to root for the underdogs, that's what I'm hoping for... Colby to succeed and excel.

05-25-2006, 04:38 PM	#66
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	He had 93 tackles last year while playing undisciplined. NFL.com says he had 89, and only 60 were solo. :P :P :P

05-25-2006, 04:41 PM	#67
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	89 ... 93... tomato... tomaaaato.

05-25-2006, 05:22 PM	#68
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	60 solo. They give you assists if you pass by a tackle before the refs blows the whistle. So, from 60 solo, to 138. And Mr. Glass contributing. You're on a lot of limbs right now papzy.

05-25-2006, 05:43 PM	#69
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Look up Zach Thomas' career stats... I'll put Colby around 83 solo stops next year in the middle and around 130ish total. Doesn't look that hard to accomplish if I do say so myself. Hey I'm not the one that going to be surprised when it happens. Don't worry I'm not the type to rub it in either. :P

05-25-2006, 05:51 PM	#70
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You mean the Zack Thomas, who came in as a rookie with 120 solo tackles, 2 fumble forces and two recoveries, and even last year, after missing two games, forced 4 fumbles and had over 100 tackles? THAT Zack Thomas? You can;t seriously be comparing Colby to him huh? Surely you jest. Zack Thomas? Colby still hasn't forced a fumble. In two years. Not one. Don't diss Zack like that please.