Now, I'll agree on the FO side of the game, but as far as gameplay Sega's NFL 2K (ESPN NFL 2K5) still makes Madden out as an embarassment. Madden's graphics are garbage compared to Sega's. Sega's gameplay, aligment options, routes, running, etc. have always made a mockery of Madden. That's why EA had to go after the exclusive to stifle the competition from a superior product. That QB vision is rediculous....a big yellow cone on the field....that's rediculous. QBs already have awarness, consistency, and accuracy built in their stats in the games. The person that came up with QB vision should be fired. I hope they eliminate it from Live play this year or at least make it "create match" option. Sega had a shoulder charge years before Madden incorporated the Truck Stick. Madden does have the backstep feature that Sega doesn't which is nice. Gameplay wise Madden has a long way to go to catch up to an out dated Sega series and they've caught hell ever since the exclusive.

Respectfully,

Lengai

True that.

Yeah, I only buy the football games every 2-3 years, and this looks to be a great year to.

DJL ... you are so right. I've got ESPN (PS2) and my friend has Madden (Xbox). Having never played on an Xbox controller and never playing Madden I beat all comers. The game play was too simplistic. I thought it was just that my buddy was really bad, but then I played his kid, who used all the "tricks" and still beat him. I'm not a gamer by any means, but I found Madden's system too basic.

Man they dropped deuce speed and rating............. ouch!

I don't think it's too basic, it's more that the A.I. is screwy, in that some plays work too well too often. BJSim, you obviously haven't played madden online, because the top online players will send you home crying. I'm not saying I could, but there are guys that know what they are doing when it comes to playing madden.

Why the optimism for the Saints on Madden this year? Every year they undercut us.

We were 3-13 last season, and I always find that EA has a bias against our talent. We're always ranked in the 70's, and I expect no different this season.

I haven't played every edition, but have the Saints ever had a good team on Madden? That's the most frustrating part about playing with the Saints for me. I enjoy building the team through trades, and free agency; but can we please just get one season where we're kicking ass right out the gate?

I don't know, I just want the Saints to be recognized as a dominant (or even a decent) team represented on the game. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING!

BTW, I do realize that we have a ton of new talent on our team, and, while I'm very excited about them; I don't think they're going to sway the opinion of the almighty Madden football gurus too much.

thib82, trust me I know quite a few people would kick my can all over the place. I just found the game play basic in comparison to ESPN. And that was held up by the fact that four people who'd been playing the game for a year all lost to me on my first time playing it. It was "I play winner" so I never had to give it up. As I said, I'm no gamer, in fact I play my PS2 for the football season (football games of course) and maybe a few days a year besides that. Hell, my computer only has one game loaded onto it.

is on field judgement clouded by madden? makes you wonder