Cut Henderson......

gandhi1007 · 08-13-2006, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by chRxis

whoa now.... we are comparing our late round pick of 2006 to a guy that average 1200yds, 80 catches, and 12 td's a year... that's lofty.... especially since TO does that against the best defensive backs in the league and colston has played in a preseason game vs. the titans... in time grasshopper, in time.... let's not induct colston into the hall of fame just based on his size and speed.... we'll see how good he is when he goes up against ronde barber, ken lucas, deangelo hall, etc....

Easy now.....No one said Colston was instantly another T.O. We were just stating the obvious. He's bigger. He's faster. He doesn't drop much. And last.....he comes from a small school, like Owens. Now, that said....he did shine against top college competition in the East-West Shrine game. I'm not saying that it's a definate that will continue in the NFL, but I have a feeling this guy was the steal of the draft.

chRxis · 08-13-2006, 02:33 PM

i gotcha.... but when i see ppl mentioning TO and our 6th rd. pick in the same sentence i start worrying.... i think he'll be good, not great, at either wr or te, if he were to pick up some muscle mass...... i hope i'm wrong... i hope he does become the next great wr, but honestly, i don't see that happening....

gandhi1007 · 08-13-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by chRxis

.... i think he'll be good, not great, at either wr or te, if he were to pick up some muscle mass......

If he were to pick up muscle mass? Have you seen this guy? The dude is chisled like a rock. Anyway..... don't sleep on this guy just because he was a 7th rounder. I wanted this cat with a 4th rounder!

I think we were absolutely blessed to get him w/ a 7th round pick!

chRxis · 08-13-2006, 03:03 PM

muscle mass was meant as weight but not fat.... i know the guy is muscular.... i was trying to imply that he could put on some pounds but not fat and possibly be a good te.... i'm not sleeping on him... read where i said he should be one of the six we keep on the team at his position.... i was just trying to clear the air about comparing him to really anyone, esp. TO... there's a reason he was a 7th rd. pick, and it's not only b/c he's from a small school... we'll see.... like i said, i am sincerely hoping i'm wrong and he becomes the greatest wr of all time....

gandhi1007 · 08-13-2006, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by chRxis

i was trying to imply that he could put on some pounds but not fat and possibly be a good te.... i'm not sleeping on him...

Gotcha'!

Don't count on him being converted to a TE, though. The FO & coaching staff have already made up their minds that this guy is going to play WR for us.

"He's going to play receiver for us, said Mueller about Colston's potential role. "He's not going to be a tight end and we've got that question a lot. He's 6-4 and a half, the kid can run. He's a dominant player at that level at Hofstra. We like what he brings to the table, but he's got a long ways to go. He's raw. He's going to have to learn different routes. He's going to catch a fade, a slant, a bubble screen, but he's going to have to learn the route tree. He's going to have to learn to play the game at a different level, but this kid's got speed."

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news...articleid=2452

MatthewT · 08-13-2006, 03:26 PM

If Henderson does not learn to catch the ball, he may have trouble making the team. It's still very early and I say give him a chance to improve. His speed is a great weapon, but there is no weapon if the ball is not caught. I was very impressed by the guys playing behind him. Looks like the Saints have some guys who can catch the ball and move the chains. Overall, this WR group looks to be very good.

JOESAM2002 · 08-13-2006, 05:40 PM

I'm telling you guys, he's caught everything thrown to him in camp. How many passes did he drop last night? He's better than you think.

WhoDat · 08-13-2006, 06:54 PM

My thoughts:

I have to disagree with my esteemed collegue, Mr. Joe "Pacemaker" Sam. I don't think Henderson will ever live up to expectations. He has prototypical size and above average speed. However, he seems to have below average hands and brains - and those are the two things that matter most (see Horn, Harrison, Ward, etc).

IMO, Horn is resurgent this season, and Stallworth continues his upward tick from last season. I still can't believe people are so down on Stallworth. The trade talk seems nuts to me. The guy had 42 receptions and almost 600 yards and 8 TDs in 7 games as a rookie. Yeah, he was hurt for basically two years after. I know. But a guy can't choose when he gets hurt. He's been healthy since, and in 2004 (basically his second season if you take away for injuries) he had 58 rec, 770 yards and 5 TDs. Last year, on a 3-13 team, no real 2nd threat, in AB's worst year ever, and with Tod Bouman throwing him the ball for three games, he improved to 70 rec, 945 yards and 7 TDs. If the guy improves this year over last year as much as he did last year over the year before he should have 85+ rec, 1150+ yards, and 8+ TDs. Those are legit #1 numbers.

I think Stallworth is our future at WR. Behind him, I think Colston is a good prospect, but so is Hass, Jones, Lyman, etc.

However, I just don't see Henderson ever making it.

JOESAM2002 · 08-13-2006, 07:20 PM

I have to disagree with my esteemed collegue, Mr. Joe "Pacemaker" Sam.

Ahhh! You know me to well.

and Stallworth continues his upward tick from last season.

Maybe you should tell Coach Payton about that. Stallworth was well enough to practice this past week. Why didn't he play?
I

think Colston is a good prospect, but so is Hass, Jones, Lyman, etc.

You did at least get this part right!

gandhi1007 · 08-13-2006, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

I'm telling you guys, he's caught everything thrown to him in camp. How many passes did he drop last night? He's better than you think.

Being an LSU fan as well, I want to pull for Devery......but sooner or later we've got to face the fact that he's got hands of stone. He dropped a bunch as a Tiger & he's still dropping them as a Saint.

He's like that guy on that football movie with Sinbad.......Brees will have to get the ball stuck in his face mask for him to make the catch.

08-13-2006, 02:28 PM	#11
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Cut Henderson...... Originally Posted by chRxis whoa now.... we are comparing our late round pick of 2006 to a guy that average 1200yds, 80 catches, and 12 td's a year... that's lofty.... especially since TO does that against the best defensive backs in the league and colston has played in a preseason game vs. the titans... in time grasshopper, in time.... let's not induct colston into the hall of fame just based on his size and speed.... we'll see how good he is when he goes up against ronde barber, ken lucas, deangelo hall, etc.... Easy now.....No one said Colston was instantly another T.O. We were just stating the obvious. He's bigger. He's faster. He doesn't drop much. And last.....he comes from a small school, like Owens. Now, that said....he did shine against top college competition in the East-West Shrine game. I'm not saying that it's a definate that will continue in the NFL, but I have a feeling this guy was the steal of the draft.

08-13-2006, 02:33 PM	#12
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Cut Henderson...... i gotcha.... but when i see ppl mentioning TO and our 6th rd. pick in the same sentence i start worrying.... i think he'll be good, not great, at either wr or te, if he were to pick up some muscle mass...... i hope i'm wrong... i hope he does become the next great wr, but honestly, i don't see that happening....

08-13-2006, 02:39 PM	#13
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Cut Henderson...... Originally Posted by chRxis .... i think he'll be good, not great, at either wr or te, if he were to pick up some muscle mass...... If he were to pick up muscle mass? Have you seen this guy? The dude is chisled like a rock. Anyway..... don't sleep on this guy just because he was a 7th rounder. I wanted this cat with a 4th rounder! I think we were absolutely blessed to get him w/ a 7th round pick!

08-13-2006, 03:03 PM	#14
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Cut Henderson...... muscle mass was meant as weight but not fat.... i know the guy is muscular.... i was trying to imply that he could put on some pounds but not fat and possibly be a good te.... i'm not sleeping on him... read where i said he should be one of the six we keep on the team at his position.... i was just trying to clear the air about comparing him to really anyone, esp. TO... there's a reason he was a 7th rd. pick, and it's not only b/c he's from a small school... we'll see.... like i said, i am sincerely hoping i'm wrong and he becomes the greatest wr of all time....

08-13-2006, 03:23 PM	#15
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Cut Henderson...... Originally Posted by chRxis i was trying to imply that he could put on some pounds but not fat and possibly be a good te.... i'm not sleeping on him... Gotcha'! Don't count on him being converted to a TE, though. The FO & coaching staff have already made up their minds that this guy is going to play WR for us. "He's going to play receiver for us, said Mueller about Colston's potential role. "He's not going to be a tight end and we've got that question a lot. He's 6-4 and a half, the kid can run. He's a dominant player at that level at Hofstra. We like what he brings to the table, but he's got a long ways to go. He's raw. He's going to have to learn different routes. He's going to catch a fade, a slant, a bubble screen, but he's going to have to learn the route tree. He's going to have to learn to play the game at a different level, but this kid's got speed." http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news...articleid=2452

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08-13-2006, 03:26 PM	#16
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Cut Henderson...... If Henderson does not learn to catch the ball, he may have trouble making the team. It's still very early and I say give him a chance to improve. His speed is a great weapon, but there is no weapon if the ball is not caught. I was very impressed by the guys playing behind him. Looks like the Saints have some guys who can catch the ball and move the chains. Overall, this WR group looks to be very good.

08-13-2006, 05:40 PM	#17
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	I'm telling you guys, he's caught everything thrown to him in camp. How many passes did he drop last night? He's better than you think.

08-13-2006, 06:54 PM	#18
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	My thoughts: I have to disagree with my esteemed collegue, Mr. Joe "Pacemaker" Sam. I don't think Henderson will ever live up to expectations. He has prototypical size and above average speed. However, he seems to have below average hands and brains - and those are the two things that matter most (see Horn, Harrison, Ward, etc). IMO, Horn is resurgent this season, and Stallworth continues his upward tick from last season. I still can't believe people are so down on Stallworth. The trade talk seems nuts to me. The guy had 42 receptions and almost 600 yards and 8 TDs in 7 games as a rookie. Yeah, he was hurt for basically two years after. I know. But a guy can't choose when he gets hurt. He's been healthy since, and in 2004 (basically his second season if you take away for injuries) he had 58 rec, 770 yards and 5 TDs. Last year, on a 3-13 team, no real 2nd threat, in AB's worst year ever, and with Tod Bouman throwing him the ball for three games, he improved to 70 rec, 945 yards and 7 TDs. If the guy improves this year over last year as much as he did last year over the year before he should have 85+ rec, 1150+ yards, and 8+ TDs. Those are legit #1 numbers. I think Stallworth is our future at WR. Behind him, I think Colston is a good prospect, but so is Hass, Jones, Lyman, etc. However, I just don't see Henderson ever making it.
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08-13-2006, 07:20 PM	#19
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	I have to disagree with my esteemed collegue, Mr. Joe "Pacemaker" Sam. Ahhh! You know me to well. and Stallworth continues his upward tick from last season. Maybe you should tell Coach Payton about that. Stallworth was well enough to practice this past week. Why didn't he play? I think Colston is a good prospect, but so is Hass, Jones, Lyman, etc. You did at least get this part right!

08-13-2006, 09:16 PM	#20
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 I'm telling you guys, he's caught everything thrown to him in camp. How many passes did he drop last night? He's better than you think. Being an LSU fan as well, I want to pull for Devery......but sooner or later we've got to face the fact that he's got hands of stone. He dropped a bunch as a Tiger & he's still dropping them as a Saint. He's like that guy on that football movie with Sinbad.......Brees will have to get the ball stuck in his face mask for him to make the catch.