Stop the whining
 

... if this were Payton's 3rd year, ok. I'd complain too.

But it's his first year as a head coach, with players he's getting to know and players who are getting to know the coaches, with players learning new offense and defense schemes.

... wait at least until week five o start whining.

RE: Stop the whining
 

Wow.....this is one of those rare moments where..........I actually agree with Tobias.

RE: Stop the whining
 

hahaha me too

RE: Stop the whining
 

I agree as well....I take absolutely no stock in pre-season games. I'm not saying the Saints are going to be leaps and bounds better by Week 1, but I'm not going to throw in the towel because of a piss poor showing in a pre-season game. It is all going to take some time. It's not going to be a quick fix.

Remember, 42 new faces on the team. Might cause a problem? Ya think?

Kinda feels like Dallas at the start of the J.J. era. a ton of new faces. Hopefully with continuity...the results will end up like those of the Cowboys from the 90's.

Ditto. Payton has full fledged support and a free pass for now. It won't take a lot to keep it positive either. A few more wins but more importantly solid execution, good game planning, and management. The penalties, dumbass play calling, choosing and standing by goofy players were some of my biggest beefs the past few seasons.

3-1 or 1-3 preseason I could care less. Let's see the first team move the ball though. If the defense could put pass D and run D together on the same week it might be surprising.

^^^Exactly^^^

I'm not one to put a lot of stock in exhibition games either but I would like to see a Saint cornerback around a receiver on a 3rd and 8. There's nothing wrong with playing vanilla defense but it's troublesome to see that the Saints were having major difficulty executing basic defensive schemes.

As for the offense, there's is no excuse in Brees throwing the ball to FB Mike Karney's feet twice when he was wide open. That's basic "west coast" offense. Forget the O-line...both of those plays would have gone for first downs and that's one of the best ways to slow down a pass rush.

This is basic execution stuff and the Saints really should have no trouble getting it squared away. If they do, we're in big trouble.

One other point...or question. How come Dallas has no problem executing two tight end sets and the Saint's can't?! And what happened to Ernie Conwell. I thought he started. What are we paying him for?

Re: Stop the whining
 

YEAH WHAT HE SAID!!!