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gandhi1007 08-30-2006 09:09 AM

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Hahaha, wow gandhi, for all that smoking you do you still have a good memory!
Those smoking habits are reserved for special occasions only! Like the day we cut Aaron Brroks & the day we drafted Reggie Bush. :D

gandhi1007 08-30-2006 09:12 AM

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4- The Curse = Donte will go to Philly and become a receiving god to rival his Dad's legacy, and we'll be watching Horn free agent his way out of NOLA.
If you're referring to his dad being John Stallworth, you got the wrong dude.

jdiggy 08-30-2006 09:25 AM

My prediction:

J. Horn, Colston, Henderson, Jones, C. Horn, Hass

Lyman and Moore to the practice squad. They'll make the team after we trade Devery next season.

shackney 08-30-2006 10:04 AM

Horrible decision. Stallworth had nearly 1000 yards last year and has speed to stretch the field. Simmeneau is a as good as Shanle...Simminoue (sp-?) isn't a stud by any means. Again, another warm body to add depth to a thin group of LB's...we will end up with llike 15 LB's who all suck! 4th round pick is good, but Stallworth will tear it up in Philly and if Payton could be patient enough to let him learn the system, he'd be valuable to N.O. I hope Payton knows what he's doing. I hope he proves me wrong. I hope Stallworth sucks this year and I hope we get a gem in the fourth round next year...O-line, D-line or a Linebacker from college who knows how to tackle!

hagan714 08-30-2006 11:17 PM

after all the debating on your boy I have to remind you. :roll:
Donte will once again be one of the best in the NFL at dropping passes. I know, I know it is so objective. Besides there was another in wy. mo or was it ut ? betting on beers with lake trout.
just incase i loss, yeah right, you get root beer(top shelf)

jnormand 08-31-2006 03:47 AM

I really think Donte is a good receiver. I would have liked to keep the guy with the Saints, but I think we got a fair deal here. Simoneau is probably not "the answer to our LB probs", but he is a serviceable back-up and even a starter sometimes. You never know, maybe some Eagle fans are saying that Simoneau is going to resurrect his career in New Orleans.

Simoneau and a 4th round pick that could end up being a 3rd round pick is definately fair.

At least Coach P is trying to shore up the LB corps.

On that note, everyone agreed that we needed LB help in the offseason. In fact before the draft several people were hoping to get Hawk. Now that we haven't done so well against the pass, a lot of people are saying we need to shore up the CB.

IMO, LB is a definate need for this team and any help is a step in the right direction.

saintswhodi 08-31-2006 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714
after all the debating on your boy I have to remind you. :roll:
Donte will once again be one of the best in the NFL at dropping passes. I know, I know it is so objective. Besides there was another in wy. mo or was it ut ? betting on beers with lake trout.
just incase i loss, yeah right, you get root beer(top shelf)

Okay, I am not getting it. Find the thread. Are you saying that Donte, who for the FIRST time in his career even led this team in drops last year, on a 3-13 horrible hurricane ravaged team, will repeat that feat? That's the bet? Find the thread is all I can say. I can't believe you would be that biased as to make a bet like that. Sounds downright foolish. :wink:

shackney 08-31-2006 09:06 AM

If Payton is looking to add depth at Linebacker, and not talent...Please sign me.,..I am 5'11", 217 Lbs..fat and out of shape..Oh, I'm also 33 years old and haven't played football since 1995...If depth, not quality, is what Payton wants, I could save the Saints money...I just need the league minimum salary and a flight to Training camp! Get may jersey ready...I'll call my agent!

GoldRush26 08-31-2006 12:21 PM

I still don't see how trading Donte was such a mistake. HE HAD A BAD ATTITUDE! That's the last thing we need on this team. Some players just aren't going to jell here. And if he has a great season in Philly, that doesn't automatically mean he would have had as good of a season here.


Honestly who cares what he would have done....woulda coulda shoulda. He should've been working hard in camp. I think with his athletic talent, if he was working as hard as he could, he would have been the #1 reciever no doubt. But that didn't happen.

And I doubt he'll do anything in Philly until they get some more help. First of all they don't run the ball, which will hurt him. Second of all he's the only reciever they have. All they have to do is double him. He's not good enough to put up Pro Bowl numbers in that situation.

gandhi1007 08-31-2006 04:37 PM

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Stallworth had nearly 1000 yards last year and has speed to stretch the field.
........and hands of stone. :? That's not good when you're a receiver.

saintswhodi 08-31-2006 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
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Stallworth had nearly 1000 yards last year and has speed to stretch the field.
........and hands of stone. :? That's not good when you're a receiver.

Dude, we get it. You love Colston. Stop dissing Donte. LAst year was the first year he led our team in drops. Throw him right up there with Muhsin Muhammed, Antonio Gates, Lamont Jordan, Chad Johnson, etc. etc. etc. Colston is getting his chance now. It's all good.

gandhi1007 08-31-2006 09:16 PM

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Dude, we get it. You love Colston. Stop dissing Donte. LAst year was the first year he led our team in drops. Throw him right up there with Muhsin Muhammed, Antonio Gates, Lamont Jordan, Chad Johnson, etc. etc. etc. Colston is getting his chance now. It's all good.

I'm not dissing Stallworth simply because of my man crush on Colston. :P Stallworth was drafted in 2002, which means he had 4 years to develop into the receiver we all hoped he would be. Grant it..... he did have a bum for a QB, but Joe Horn managed Pro Bowl numbers with "Fumbles the Clown" at QB. Last year was the 1st year I saw Joe Horn drop catchable passes. One bad year during the season of Katrina, I can excuse. Stallworth, on the other hand, was consistent at that feat since his rookie season, dropping catchable ball after catchable ball. Yes....I know they were rarely in stride, but they were catchable. Donte has blazing speed. Great!!! Of all the greatest receivers in NFL history (Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Cris Carter, Fred Bilitnekoff, etc....), how many were known as blazingly fast guys? Very, very few. But...... they all had 3 things in common: (1) They were team players with heart. (2) They ran sharp routes. & (3) They could actually catch the ball!!!! That's my point from the beginning. It doesn't matter how fast you are, what round you came out of, are what kind of freakish strength you have at the WR spot. It's about running sharp routes & catching the damn football!!!!!!

D24pick 08-31-2006 09:56 PM

I agree with Ghandi, too

saintswhodi 09-01-2006 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
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Dude, we get it. You love Colston. Stop dissing Donte. LAst year was the first year he led our team in drops. Throw him right up there with Muhsin Muhammed, Antonio Gates, Lamont Jordan, Chad Johnson, etc. etc. etc. Colston is getting his chance now. It's all good.

I'm not dissing Stallworth simply because of my man crush on Colston. :P Stallworth was drafted in 2002, which means he had 4 years to develop into the receiver we all hoped he would be. Grant it..... he did have a bum for a QB, but Joe Horn managed Pro Bowl numbers with "Fumbles the Clown" at QB. Last year was the 1st year I saw Joe Horn drop catchable passes. One bad year during the season of Katrina, I can excuse. Stallworth, on the other hand, was consistent at that feat since his rookie season, dropping catchable ball after catchable ball. Yes....I know they were rarely in stride, but they were catchable. Donte has blazing speed. Great!!! Of all the greatest receivers in NFL history (Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Cris Carter, Fred Bilitnekoff, etc....), how many were known as blazingly fast guys? Very, very few. But...... they all had 3 things in common: (1) They were team players with heart. (2) They ran sharp routes. & (3) They could actually catch the ball!!!! That's my point from the beginning. It doesn't matter how fast you are, what round you came out of, are what kind of freakish strength you have at the WR spot. It's about running sharp routes & catching the damn football!!!!!!

Once again, last year was the first year Donte even led our team in drops. Also, out of the 4 years, two he was injured. Maybe that slowed his development? Maybe the poor ass coaching and poor ass QB, slowed his development? And Joe Horn is not a good example, cause 1) he was a vet when he got here, and 2) anyone who has watched more than 2 Saints games knows Brooks ALWAYS locked onto Joe. Too many times I have seen receivers open if AB went through a progression, but he would throw to Joe. Come on man. Let's see how the dude does in Philly. But one year leading the team in drops, and giving other players a pass cause of Katrina and not Donte is kinda weak. He still caught 70 passes for alomst 1000 yards when teams knew he was the main receiving threat. That ain't garbage.

hagan714 09-01-2006 08:32 AM

hey donte will be missed. but he was our best trade bait. not like he was unreplacable. Let closton play and see how it goes. next We will probly draft/FA a speed WR next year or2. A WR to shape as a replacment for when, if he works outs, closton slides over and takes over for Joe. he can not play forever. We have to see how the group works out.

saintswhodi 09-01-2006 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714
hey donte will be missed. but he was our best trade bait. not like he was unreplacable. Let closton play and see how it goes. next We will probly draft/FA a speed WR next year or2. A WR to shape as a replacment for when, if he works outs, closton slides over and takes over for Joe. he can not play forever. We have to see how the group works out.

I definitely agree he was our best trade bait, and I have no problem with him getting traded. But let's be fair here. It's not like he was in the best situation to develop, or to form the right attitude with the apparent # of cancers and lazy ass players we had on this team. That's all I am saying.

LKelley67 09-01-2006 08:53 AM

can't the man get an amen? It will be no surprise to see Donte surpass last years numbers. No surprise if he drops more or drops less. No surprise if he plays 16 games or comes up lame and does 8. The dude can play. Inconsistent but he ain't a bum. With the rebuild and all the good young receivers it was a simply a prudent move.

I am sure they took the best offer available. I'll take it over another Bentley-Howard walk away.

gandhi1007 09-01-2006 02:12 PM

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And Joe Horn is not a good example, cause 1) he was a vet when he got here
Not a good example because he was a vet? He was a practice squad player & backup in Kansas City before coming to New Orleans. I would hardly call that a vet. If he was a vet then, then Chase Lyman & Colby Bockwoldt are vets now. :roll: And might I add......his 1st chance at starting in N.O. (& since), he's put up great numbers & been consistent.

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Inconsistent but he ain't a bum.
Best description of Stallworth yet. I've never claimed him to be garbage, but consistency at catching the football should be a requirement of an NFL receiver. If you want to see what a true #1 receiver does, check out the number of drops Marvin Harrison's had in the last 3 seasons. That's consistency!!!!! I'm sure Donte will have a good season in Philly (if he doesn't pull a hammy), but as many people have stated previously......this was probably the best move of our FO yet. We b**ch because we didn't get anything for someone (ala Bentley, Howard, & Smith), but then we also b**ch when we do get something for someone in a position that we actually have great depth in? :? WTF? Just be happy we didn't lose him for nothing & that we have a young stud at WR to take his place. :P

saintswhodi 09-01-2006 02:19 PM

Joe Horn was a vet when we got him. 4 years in the league at that point I believe. 4 is more than zero right? Plus, Donte's and Joe's work ethic are night and day. Donte at times try to skate on ability alone, while Joe is always working to improve cause he does not have all the matural ability of some. Outside of both being Wrs, their situations couldn't have been more different. As far as Joe just being a practice squad player, he played in all 16 games for KC the two years before he came to us, and he improved in each one. Like I said, no comparison. And dude, Chase Lyman and colby? Come on man. Get real for a second. Don't pull that nonsense on me. :P

And isn't Chad Johnson a #1 receiver? Isn't Antonio Gates a #1 receiving option? Eddie Kennison? Muhsin Muhammed? Comparable # of drops to Donte. We could pick and choose all day, the fact remains Donte's drops were no worse a problem than those of other #1 receivers. AND, Donte may have had a little more reason to drop balls than these other guys. No one is saying the dude was a #1 in the making, but still, no need to slam him unnecessarily. Donte was a disappointment, to all of us. We all expected more, sooner from him. We never got it. Again I will say, let's see what he does in Philly. I think he would have done well with Brees, but then that would have your boy Colston on the bench, and you wouldn't have that now would you? :wink:

gandhi1007 09-01-2006 02:29 PM

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Again I will say, let's see what he does in Philly. I think he would have done well with Brees, but then that would have your boy Colston on the bench, and you wouldn't have that now would you?
Again....I think he will do well in Philly also. A competent QB is always a plus. I just think that after 4 years of waiting, it was time. I expected big things from Stallworth the same as everyone else. The simple fact is he's a slightly above average receiver w/ amazing physical gifts, but w/ horrible professionalism & work ethic. See the T.O. experiment in Dallas & see how that's shaping up. I'm just glad we got something for him. It could have been worse with Loomis running the show. :roll:

P.S.- Colston would have beat him out of the job anyway. :moon:


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