Payton on Horn's play...........
 

<INAUSPICIOUS START: Payton said wide receiver Joe Horn did not play "particularly well" against the Browns. He caught two passes for 25 yards but had several drops and didn't block particularly well downfield on running plays. "There is a run or two where we might have scored with just the effort down the field," Payton said. "That is something we can do a better job moving forward. I think Joe would say the same thing after he sees the tape. He had a big catch for us later in the game. It wasn't one of his better games. I think he can play better." >

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RE: Payton on Horn
 

Sounds a little harsh on Horn, I think alot of went down wasnt his fault. Here's hoping he has a big game next week.

RE: Payton on Horn
 

I have to disagree with Payton on that,.... most of Bress passes were late getting there giving DB opportunities to deflect or intercept. Brees have the lowest pass rating out of the the teams that won there game. I am not trying to bash him but he more @ blame for the passes he thrown, on the other hand I don't know what play he is talking bout Horn cause us miss TD for a miss or poor block.

RE: Payton on Horn
 

joe was on cold pizza this morning, don't read into it. joe is his own worst critic. joe will be fine,just payton's way of letting joe know he is a intrical part of the offense.

RE: Payton on Horn
 

He may have been a little hard on Joe, but this is only because he knows Joe can do better. He knows that Joe can play better than he did.

RE: Payton on Horn
 

I don't think he was hard on him at all. He was just being honest. Some people have a little rust the first game. It's not like they've been playing allot lately.

RE: Payton on Horn
 

Thinking about what he said about Horn made me think/realize/remember that Payton fell from the Parcell's tree and will probably use the same tactic of criticizing players in the media to motivate them.

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Yeah, it's a little harsh. As was mentioned earllier, Brees didn't do him any favors, and the ball he caught there towards the end was huge. Horn will be fine, and so to will Drew. I expect Brees' arm will get stronger as we go, and he and Joe will get better working together too.

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Joe will be ok, this year anyway, he'll come around to his game..

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I'd rather Payton absolutely bash Horn than coddle him......which is what one former coach of ours who shall remain nameless used to do with his players.

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after re-reading that, it sounds like payton was referring to horn's blocking, not to his pass receptions. nola made the remark about "several drops." correct me if i am wrong, but brees only threw to horn three times in the entire game, with two completions. the incomplete pass was high.

Joe will be ok, What Payton need to do
is tell Bress...When a play is called to Joe
get the ball there on time and up off the field.

8)

All truth, this was the problem with Horn early(except drops) when Haz coached
Haz just was never a good enough to see it by Horn scoring all the time, I like what Payton said and it'll make Horn play better

and what problem was that again?

Payton is right..Joe didn't block down field, and that is a must for a reciever if he wants to spring Reggie and Duece loose! Joe needs to do more than show up and catch passes. The great ones are great every play, especially when they aren't getting the ball...Keyshawn and Hines are the two best blockers.

After watching the game on NFL replay this morning, I wasn't as concerned about Horn's performance. The timing seemed to be off between Brees and Horn on a lot of the balls thrown his way. The coverage was tight on a few plays. He was targeted often enough by Brees, it was just one of those rough days. At least he didn't have any blatantly inexcusable drops.

That's how I saw it. I also liked how Horn and Brees sort of sought each other out on the field after the game was over which said to me they were acknowledging each other's connection as the teammates and pros that they are so I'm confident they'll work it out. I've felt for a long time that it's the cohesivesness as a team that's been missing, not a lack of talent. Horn has been there time and time again to try and be the glue and I wish all of the NFL could see that. Most people just remember his celphonegate and didn't get what he was trying to convey. I'm not ready to pronounce them new and improved once and for all; but at least for one game, I saw more positives than negatives.

Said it once, I'll say it again until somebody with ears hears me:

Drew Brees isn't leading his receivers!

Look at your TIVO's and you'll see that the majority of his passes (Pre-season and 1st game)have been low and behind. Almost throwing like he's scared to throw the damn ball and we all know that a frightened QB is about as useful as teats on a bull. If the pass is there, Joe "Little Big" Horn will catch it.

Next thread please...

i think its just paytons way of trying to light a fire with joe. i dont think he was bashing him but trying to push him more. if joe gets going the way he can, its gonna open up so much with colston, reggie, and deuce playing the way they did.