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LKelley67 09-13-2006 07:35 AM

Power Rankings Week 1
 
Post any Power Rankings you find in this thread-

Start off with Fox, up to #18 already

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRankings

ESPN at 24

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking

PS- Packers at 32 snd 32

buzwa 09-13-2006 07:37 AM

RE: Power Rankings Week 1
 
From Fox:
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The Cadillac sure looked like a Huffy bike on Sunday, no?
HAHAHA!!

thib82 09-13-2006 09:23 AM

RE: Power Rankings Week 1
 
Not be negative, but I don't think we should be at #18 just yet. Dallas and Tampa had bad games, they are better than their rankings. The Chiefs played a solid Bengals team, so its a little unfair to have them so low too. I know they are without Trent Green for now, but they still have LJ.

gandhi1007 09-13-2006 09:33 AM

RE: Power Rankings Week 1
 
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The Chiefs played a solid Bengals team, so its a little unfair to have them so low too. I know they are without Trent Green for now, but they still have LJ.
They also lost perrennial Pro Bowler, Willie Roaf at LT & Tony Richardson at FB, too. That's going to hurt LJ's stats in a major way.

thib82 09-13-2006 09:39 AM

Re: RE: Power Rankings Week 1
 
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
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The Chiefs played a solid Bengals team, so its a little unfair to have them so low too. I know they are without Trent Green for now, but they still have LJ.
They also lost perrennial Pro Bowler, Willie Roaf at LT & Tony Richardson at FB, too. That's going to hurt LJ's stats in a major way.

This is why I didn't draft him in any of my fantasy leagues.

saintswhodi 09-13-2006 09:44 AM

Re: RE: Power Rankings Week 1
 
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Originally Posted by thib82
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
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The Chiefs played a solid Bengals team, so its a little unfair to have them so low too. I know they are without Trent Green for now, but they still have LJ.
They also lost perrennial Pro Bowler, Willie Roaf at LT & Tony Richardson at FB, too. That's going to hurt LJ's stats in a major way.

This is why I didn't draft him in any of my fantasy leagues.

Did you pick first, second, or third in all your leagues? That's the only way you even had a shot to pick him. 8)

thib82 09-13-2006 09:47 AM

RE: Re: RE: Power Rankings Week 1
 
I picked 2nd in one, and 3rd in another. He was available both times.

saintswhodi 09-13-2006 09:48 AM

Oh, gotcha. I am in about 7 leagues, and I only picked that high in two. I forget not everyone has 7 leagues. lol

LKelley67 09-13-2006 09:49 AM

#23- In defense of the Texans, I'm sure Mario Williams would have had the same effect Reggie Bush's 140 all-purpose yards did for the Saints in week one. What? He had three tackles and no sacks? Nevermind, my bad.

http://www.fanball.com/fb/article.cfm/ID.7628/Football

saintswhodi 09-13-2006 09:53 AM

That last one was good. :lol:

wheelman 09-13-2006 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LKelley67
#23- In defense of the Texans, I'm sure Mario Williams would have had the same effect Reggie Bush's 140 all-purpose yards did for the Saints in week one. What? He had three tackles and no sacks? Nevermind, my bad.

http://www.fanball.com/fb/article.cfm/ID.7628/Football

I'm getting sick of the media and others bashing the Texans for not taking Bush. Their biggest needs have always been their offensive line and defensive front seven. Reggie can't prevent Carr from gatting sacked 68 times, and he certainly can't play defensive line or linebacker. They picked by need, and I applaud them for it.

saintswhodi 09-13-2006 10:11 AM

They may have picked by need, but 1) they picked a dude who will be a bust. I have gone into detail(after a very thorough analysis from TheDeuce) while I felt this way when we were rumored to be going after him before the draft. 2) Reggie Bush is a once in a lifetime player. I don't care what they NEEDED, you don't pass on that. You take him, trade Dom Davis for a defensive lineman or offensive lineman, and then laugh when he goes out for the year. We had no NEED for Bush, hell, we were gonna take AJ Hawk. He would have filled a huge NEED. But we took Bush anyway. Why? You don't pass on a player like that. THAT'S why the Texans are getting bashed for it, and will for the rest of either player's careers. NEED goes out the window when a player like Bush is on the board, as we proved. Unless Mario comes up with a couple of 12-15 sack seasons, the Texans will be smacked bu this move forever. Unless, well, I don't even wanna say it and jinx Reggie. But something catastrophic would have to happen for things to change.

saintswhodi 09-13-2006 10:14 AM

They may have picked by need, but 1) they picked a dude who will be a bust. I have gone into detail(after a very thorough analysis from TheDeuce) while I felt this way when we were rumored to be going after him before the draft. 2) Reggie Bush is a once in a lifetime player. I don't care what they NEEDED, you don't pass on that. You take him, trade Dom Davis for a defensive lineman or offensive lineman, and then laugh when he goes out for the year. We had no NEED for Bush, hell, we were gonna take AJ Hawk. He would have filled a huge NEED. But we took Bush anyway. Why? You don't pass on a player like that. THAT'S why the Texans are getting bashed for it, and will for the rest of either player's careers. NEED goes out the window when a player like Bush is on the board, as we proved. Unless Mario comes up with a couple of 12-15 sack seasons, the Texans will be smacked bu this move forever. Unless, well, I don't even wanna say it and jinx Reggie. But something catastrophic would have to happen for things to change.

yasoon 09-13-2006 11:39 AM

You have to take reggie if for nothing but the business need. Every team needs to have the hottest jersey in the league.

Mario is in kindof a no win situation (other than the millions). Throw in the Davis injury and the Texans look even worse.

Hey, the more people laugh at OTHER teams the better. When's the last time we got the last laugh...I guess Ricky is our only one. But we were missing the playoffs while we were laughing, so it's not as sweet.

BoudinSandwich 09-13-2006 11:46 AM

I like how Reggie Bush's name appears in the comments for 3 different teams in the FOX Sports rankings.

LKelley67 09-13-2006 11:52 AM

right on yasoon. Jerry Jones when asked if he could pass on him answered the same thing- No way because I'm a businessman and this is an entertainment business...

Euphoria 09-13-2006 11:59 AM

I know I say this about 20 times a year... what the hell does anyone pay attention to power rankings for??? it means nothing... there isn't any championship or tittle for being number 1 at the end of the year. All it is is it gives sportswriters a job. They are someone's opinon that means nothing and you can tell by some of the moves they are so off target with reality its not even fun sometimes. How can a team move from 30th to 15 in one week...

No you need to draft on needs... and future. We can argue from here to eternity wether it was the right move for Houston or not. If you go with it was the right move for Houston then in the same breathe you can say it was the wrong move for New Orleans. RB, KR was not an area of need. Making a buisness move won't necessairly equate to wins either. Granted it brings some excitment to NO but I don't think we are any better than what we were last year.

shackney 09-13-2006 12:00 PM

Wheelman,

If you applaud the Texans for taking Mario Williams over Reggie you are as clueless as anyone. Mario is going to be a bust, just like the other defensive lineman who have gone in the first round of the draft..Big Daddy to Cincinnati and Courtney Brown to the Browns. Reggie has value without a doubt. Mario is a crap shoot. There is no question who you take! By the way, how did the Texans do on the ground last week? Are you a college graduate? If so, what college did you attend? (I'll be sure not to send my kids there)!

thib82 09-13-2006 12:11 PM

About a business move not automatically transfering to wins, I sort of agree. BUT, who do you think will help their team win more games, Reggie or Mario. This should be an obvious answer. Whether or not the Texans needed Bush shouldn't even be a question. There are only a few teams that wouldn't benefit greatly from taking bush with the 1st pick, and they either are super bowl caliber teams(Like the Seahawks), or already have a phenomenal RB(Chargers). Like I said, the bottom line is, Reggie will do more to help his team in wins than a DE will.

thib82 09-13-2006 12:13 PM

Oh yeah, also, you have to be a fool not to think we are a better team than we were last year.

gandhi1007 09-13-2006 12:20 PM

I, for one, think it was a great move by the Texans to take Mario Williams. They got a bust & we got a future superstar in Reggie Bush because of it. My personal thanks to the Texans organization. :D

thib82 09-13-2006 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
I, for one, think it was a great move by the Texans to take Mario Williams. They got a bust & we got a future superstar in Reggie Bush because of it. My personal thanks to the Texans organization. :D

The best way to say it, IMO, is, It was a great move by the Texans for the Saints.

wheelman 09-13-2006 03:05 PM

Shakney

I applauded them for drafting by need, not "passing on Reggie". We all know Reggie is going to be good, but they didn't need a running back. Their defense was worse than ours last season. It was absolutely atrocious. They needed serious help on that side of the ball. Should they have traded out of the pick? Probably, but we don't know what teams made offers. For all we know, the only trade offers they received could have put them too low to get Mario, Reggie, D'Brick, and Hawk. Speaking of D'Brick, if there is any player that the Texans should be accused of "passing", it's him. Carr was sacked five times on Sunday. That means he has been sacked 73 times in the past 17 games. That o-line is without question the worst in the NFL's history. Reggie Bush can't play left tackle.

About the bust talk, hold off on that until the latter half of the season. Are any of you ready to label A.J. Hawk a bust because he only had five tackles against a run happy Bears offense? I doubt it. One game doesn't determine a career... unless your name is Brian Bosworth.

As far as the "business" part of the pick, winning is the ultimate money maker in the NFL. No other sports can say that. This is not a player driven league like the MLB and NBA. In those sports, a team's star player can be a huge draw because a single person can carry a team to the playoffs. Just look at Clemans and Lebron. A single position player can't do that in the NFL. Football is called the ultimate team sport for a reason. No one player can change the destiny of a team (unless he is a quarterback) no matter how much talent he has.

Hell, the Lions went to the playoffs for the first time in a few years the year after Barry Sanders retired. The team still brought the fans in. Why? They were winning. People that were buying Barry jerseys were suddenly buying Charlie Batch jerseys. But that money eventually disappeared. Why? Because they haven't been to the playoffs since then. And look at all of the college stars they drafted. They had three top ten wide receivers, a quarterback that was the third overall pick, and a first round running back. With all of those former stars they could barely muster a six win season. For that reason, no one goes to their games, and they don't make any money.

Al Davis' motto is "Just win, baby" for a reason. The man has made a fortune off his team by signing seemingly washed up players and winning with them. He's been using that tactic throughout his years of ownership. They win, he makes money. They lose, he doesn't make...as much money. But that is because they are an established franchise. They've won Superbowls.

Now, someone is probably going to say that Reggie's jersey is the best selling in the league. Well, what about other Saints players? How many Saints versiions of Drew Brees' jersey do you see outside of the Louisiana/Mississippi area? Deuce? Joe Horn? Will Smith? His presence isn't helping their jersey sales. How long will Reggie's jersey sell so well? If the team continues to be a losing franchise, and Bush puts up gaudy numbers every year, will he still be as popular? Or will people see him as over-hyped because his team never wins?

I love, L. O. V. E. that we got Reggie, but I refuse to jump to conclusions about Mario Williams. I have no idea what his future holds. I'm no Old Testament Prophet. So I'll just sit back and enjoy the show. If caution and reason make me clueless, then so be it.

TallySaint 09-13-2006 03:23 PM

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I know I say this about 20 times a year... what the hell does anyone pay attention to power rankings for??? it means nothing...
Yes, you do. Personally, I enjoy them because of the commentary and they give us something to discuss. Yes, they mean nothing.


My 2 cents.



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saintswhodi 09-13-2006 03:24 PM

I guess there are times to be long-winded, and times to be to the point. I'll choose the latter. You don't pass on Reggie Bush. Period. And you especially don't pass on him for a player with high bust potential. How much do you think we will make revenue wise this season simply cause we got Bush? Hmm, let's see, season tickets almost sold out FOR THE SEASON. We haven't won in FOREVER, Hell, we had the longest sell out streak in the league until 2004 without winning a thing. So winning is not the end all be all to putting buts in the seats. But when your entire fan base is looking for a savior, as I am sure Houston's was, and you have Reggie freaking Bush there, you take him. Period. Fans get excited by expectation, and Reggie Bush's expectation would have brought more to Houston than Mario Willaims every day of the week, winning or not.

wheelman 09-13-2006 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
I guess there are times to be long-winded, and times to be to the point. I'll choose the latter. You don't pass on Reggie Bush. Period. And you especially don't pass on him for a player with high bust potential. How much do you think we will make revenue wise this season simply cause we got Bush? Hmm, let's see, season tickets almost sold out FOR THE SEASON. We haven't won in FOREVER, Hell, we had the longest sell out streak in the league until 2004 without winning a thing. So winning is not the end all be all to putting buts in the seats. But when your entire fan base is looking for a savior, as I am sure Houston's was, and you have Reggie freaking Bush there, you take him. Period. Fans get excited by expectation, and Reggie Bush's expectation would have brought more to Houston than Mario Willaims every day of the week, winning or not.

There was no need to open your post like that. People challenged my opinion (one even directly insulted me), so I gave a well thought out counter argument.

TallySaint 09-13-2006 03:42 PM

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I gave a well thought out counter argument.
I agree. You represented your opinion well. Good job.




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saintswhodi 09-13-2006 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelman
There was no need to open your post like that. People challenged my opinion (one even directly insulted me), so I gave a well thought out counter argument.

What are you talking about? That wasn't a shot at you. Usually when someone writes out something that long, I address it point by point. I chose brevity over going that route.

wheelman 09-13-2006 03:45 PM

Oh, I thought you were calling me long winded. We're cool then. :D

saintswhodi 09-13-2006 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelman
Oh, I thought you were calling me long winded. We're cool then. :D

Well, you were, but in that instance I was not calling you such. :P

wheelman 09-13-2006 03:50 PM

Haha, it's so funny, I forgot to laugh. :nutkick:

leilung 09-13-2006 04:16 PM

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They may have picked by need, but 1) they picked a dude who will be a bust
Anyone know where Michael Jordan was drafted in the first round?

Second, behind a center named Bowie. Anyone remember him? So much for drafting 'need'! :wink:

xan 09-13-2006 04:21 PM

I was working offshore for J.RayMcDermott one summer during college and had the opportunity to get the true perspective from real men. My "mentor" told me one day, "Never, Never, Never turn down pu$$!&. You don't know when you'll get it next and you might die tomorrow."

Reggie Bush is pu$$!&. You don't turn that down.

saintswhodi 09-13-2006 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xan
I was working offshore for J.RayMcDermott one summer during college and had the opportunity to get the true perspective from real men. My "mentor" told me one day, "Never, Never, Never turn down pu$$!&. You don't know when you'll get it next and you might die tomorrow."

Reggie Bush is pu$$!&. You don't turn that down.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best. Analogy. Ever.

saintswhodi 09-13-2006 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by leilung
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They may have picked by need, but 1) they picked a dude who will be a bust
Anyone know where Michael Jordan was drafted in the first round?

Second, behind a center named Bowie. Anyone remember him? So much for drafting 'need'! :wink:

Wasn't Jordan actually picked third? Your point still stands though.

leilung 09-13-2006 04:27 PM

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My "mentor" told me one day, "Never, Never, Never turn down pu$$!&. You don't know when you'll get it next and you might die tomorrow."
Your mentor needs to check himself bud. There's alot of baaaaad stank pu$$!& out there!

TallySaint 09-13-2006 04:29 PM

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I was working offshore for J.RayMcDermott one summer during college and had the opportunity to get the true perspective from real men. My "mentor" told me one day, "Never, Never, Never turn down pu$$!&. You don't know when you'll get it next and you might die tomorrow."

Reggie Bush is pu$$!&. You don't turn that down.

You whore, you.



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WVSaint 09-13-2006 04:50 PM

passing up on reggie was dumb and there is no other way around it. they say they needed defensive help and thats why they got williams, but last i checked having your offense on the field IS defensive help. you want your opposition to score less?? well you run the ball, keep your offense on the field, and control the clock. thats a big part of why we won in cleveland. im still not sold on our defense, but if we control the clock the way we did last weekend we'll be in contention in alot more games this year. that alone should have been enough reason for the texans to draft bush, but i think i can live with their mistake.........wait, yeah i definatley can

xan 09-13-2006 05:10 PM

Sometimes you might think it's pu$$!&, but it turns out to be a$$ h*le. Gotta be able to tell the difference in this life. Clearly the Texans can't.

My apologies in advance to those with certain sensitivities.

LSUJeremy 09-13-2006 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
Oh, gotcha. I am in about 7 leagues, and I only picked that high in two. I forget not everyone has 7 leagues. lol

I think you may have a fantasy problem. :beer:


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