G.B. fans are saying "Oh SHI^! We are going to be 0-16...Wait...Do we play Oakland this year?"

Hey guys...I know its the first week and all but.....down here in Miami...the Herald releases a weekly stat sheets on all the teams and guess what....the Saints have the best defense in the NFC and 3rd overall!!!!!!!!!! (I know this announcement is premature but who cares....I am happy!!!) Screw the Packers...I don't care if they lost last week......we won't forget 52-3. We're comin Wisconsin....WE ARE COMIN'!!!!!! :biggun:

That play would have never happened without the hold. Smith had Frye in his grasp....the lineman dragged Smith to the ground....Frye stepped up...and launched...had he not been held....the game would have officially started with a SACK!!!

On another note......if you have NFl network....you are hooked. I TIVO'd the Saints game on NFL replay. It Rocks!!! The squeeze the game into an hour and a half. And on key plays they will not only show you the play and the replay but they will have the players commentating on the play as you watch it. Cool stuff for those of you who may not know about this.

Yeah, I have DirecTv with Sunday Ticket and NFL Network of course. That NFL replay is the shizznit. But, in response to you saying the play never happened, well, NFL refs can call holding on just about every down in the NFL, but if they did, we would never complete a game. I say that to say, just like they called it, it could have also very well been a no call. Some of the most obvious penalties, like the hit on Trent Green that the NFL says WASN'T worthy of a penalty somehow, never get called. But it WAS called, and negated a TD. The point still stands.

Whodi I understand where you are coming from. It is true that the refs could have ignored it. I'm sure you not only saw the replay but studied it well. Frye made that throw only after he felt Smith's hand hit his shoulder pads. Now...he didn't just get rid of it there...he juked...stepped up.....and then released. My only point is that, although I can't explain how much weed the Db's were smoking on that play....Frye would have never even let the ball go had Smith not been held.

As for your point.....THANK GOD WE HAD GOOD REFS ON SUNDAY!!(minus the "stop the play" blunder with Bush) That last thing we needed was to have the same crew that did the Rams game last year.

.......Or the ones that called the Super Bowl.

I'm not disagreeing with that you are saying, but I am saying 1) the TD happened and 2) it was called back due to a penatly. Whether Smith woulda got the sack if he wasn't held is speculation. Thank goodness for the penalty, and thank goodness for decent refs, like you said. Sometimes hometown teams get the benefit of calls like that, in that they are no calls. Regardless though, had that TD stood, different game. Hell, had they not fumbled going into halftime and scored the FG, different game. Other than that, we dominated, but those two plays alone could have changed the final result. That's what I am saying. Not really disagreeing with you on the technical aspects of what happened.

Well then whodi.....THANK GOD FOR THE GOOD REFS!!! LOLOL....I hope they can follow us around all year long!! ( i know they can't but damn....could you imagine?)

Good point ghandi!!

NFL replay is also a great way to keep an entire game while taking up less hard drive space. Providing, of course, there will be more games that we actually want to watch more than once.

Very interesting your points about the refs. However, wasn't it nice for a change to not have refs that only call holding on the Saints? It seems like especially when we play Atlanta, the refs are blind when it comes to holding by the Falcons. But God knows they've got to call everything from the Saints to protect Saint Vick. Thank God we've got Saint Bush!!

To be fair to Cleveland, the Browns did quite a bit self-destructing to help the Saints win. Holding penalties, while pretty obvious and deserved because they altered the play outcome, killed them. A better o-line and the Browns would have cakewalked. Also, a dumb handoff cost them 3 points and a lazy receiver cost them the opportunity for a chance at the win.

I wouldn't get too ahead of myself because the Pack might just be better than the Browns.