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SOrry for drinking the hate-r- ade but i'm just not convinced about this team. i'm happy about our record, but we could easily be 1-4. shouldn't we be blowing the browns, bucs, and packers out; instead of just hanging on to win? Let's see what happens when we paly the eagles, steelers, and bengals until we get too excited.

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Hey so we rejoyce with wins. Every win is a bonus after getting a new coaching staff, and having only half of last years team. Woulda coulda shoulda. No one here says we will make the playoffs but we all still hope so. No one says we will win every game. What do you need to be convinced about?

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Ridiculous. You can say any team could "easily be 5-0" or 0-5, or whatever the hell you want your point to be.

Also, does it really matter how much we win by? A win is a win is a win. It doesn't matter how much you win by. When the Bucs demolished the Raiders in the Super Bowl, was the end result any different than when the Rams beat the Titans by a yard? NO. Why? Because they won. Doesn't matter what the score is. I also noticed how you conveniently left out that we did blow out Atlanta, who has the best record amongst teams we've played. I mean I agree that there's still a lot of season left to go, but this team won 3 games last season, and we've already beaten the Bucs and Falcons who both had playoff aspirations at the beginning of the season; give this team some credit.

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All I gotta say is Colts 13, Titans 13.......it doesnt matter how much u win by, as long as u win. The points in blowouts dont carry over to the next week, so i could give a rat's A$$ how much we win by, as long as we win.

Man Saints fans are never happy.....First, all we wanted was a good coach, and we got it. Then, all we wanted was a smart QB, and we get Brees. Then we wanted a good draft, and Bush falls in our laps and we have around 4 rookies starting. Then we wanted to win some games, and we are 4-1 and people still arent happy. Geez............

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If you want to be pesimistic, i'll give you something to be pesimistic about! no win is easy in the NFL..close wins are as good as 40-0 . You are a (watch your insults... that's your second today... PAPZ) and should get off this site right now! Thank you

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Look, all i'm saying is i'm not falling into the trap anymore...i just want to see if we can sustain this level of play for the entire season against the best of the nfl.

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the man is entitled to his opinion. instead of being a dick yourself, you might try showing him where he has erred in his thought process.

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Guess he beat me to it.

Anyhow, I kind of share the same sentiment... at least with this game. I'll take a win however it comes though. But we can't expect to play the way we did versus Tampa against Philly. They are playing on a whole different level right now. We need to bring out A game out like we did against the Falcons if we even expect to have a chance. Still though, we're 4-1 baby... gotta love that.

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Last year we were 3-13, we lost to the Bucs twice last season but we beat them once already this season, some said going into the season that the Bucs would make the playoffs at least and we would win 5-6 games, we have 4 won already..
Which of the two was the biggest surprise?, us beating the Bucs by the skin of our teeth or the Colts pulling out a win against the Titans with barley no time on the clock, most would pick the Colts game, a lot of people including myself thought the Bucs game was going to be a hard game for us, it always is against the Bucs.
The Dome is sold out for the year, we added Bush and Brees to our team, we lucked out in drafting Colston and Harper not to mention Bush as I stated in adding him to the roster.
I want to enjoy this 4-1 start, I'll worry about the rest of the wins later...

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had to pull an umbrella out of my *** before reading this BS.
you got your opion but you are so wronge.
It is simple
GOOD TEAMS FIND A WAY TO WIN.
that is all it is about. we have a team were the bounces are going our way for once. This team stays calm no matter what. luck has alot to do with winning the close ones as much as skill. right now the skill is out wieghing the luck.
when you start hearing super bowl talk then i will join in. we are not that good after 4 games. chicago and san diego are. even then san diego manged to loose one.

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Sorry, but 4-1 is nothing to sneeze at, especially after the nightmare last year. If you wanna get pessimistic, that's fine, but you have to understand that all that matters is the W.

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well i remember years of the past saying what coulda been. what shoulda been. what call loss us the game. what call was missed that cost us the game. how if we didn't make this mistake or do this our record would be a positive one. what i learned from all of those years was no one cares how much you win by, how you win, or why you win. in the end the only thing anyone cares about is did you win. we have won 4 games out of 5. we are close to how many win si thought we would have for the season. are we one of the elite teams this year, probably not. we are in first place in our division and 2-1 in our division. we have made big strides in a season where i did not think we would be as good as we are. we can only get better because we have a lot of young guys on this team. so think about that. it can only get better. we are on our way. it may not come this year but we are playing tough and we loom like a better team. mind you one more time it will only get better. so don't be impressed no shirt off my back. we are 4-1 though and that is the only number that matters right now. congrats to the team and payton and trhe fans.

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Well hey at the beginning of the game I thought I was seeing the old saints freakin false starts oh man... we gotta get controll of that..... kinda wish we would take a chance more down feild..... I mean being conservated is good and all but come on atleast 1 shot down feild wouldnt hurt... was devery playing that game.... or was he hurt.....

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Last year and year's previous, the Saints would've found ways to lose. This year they are finding ways to win. This is definitely isn't your father's Saints.

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How many time in the history of this team have they been 4-1?

Enjoy 4-1.

No win in this league is easy. Just ask the 0-4 Bucs.

Some people are so jaded that they can't even enjoy the success when we have it. As it has been stated in this post...enjoy the wins....sheesh. What are you waiting for? Are some people holding out until we are a dynasty team like the Patriots or consistently good like the Colts? It ain't gonna happen. We have a year or two before these buffons in the FO foul stuff up. And who knows what they will plan to do with our team at the first sign of a non-sellout season. Just enjoy the season and stop waiting for a perfect, totally dominant Saints team because it most likely won't happen.

This is the NFL and 4-1 is tough to start off with(especially winning the first two on the road). We've heard NFL players like Brett Farve say this in the past week yet some fans here still take our record for granted.

Ditto GR26.

Christ ya'll.
How Good is enough?
The glass is already more than half full.
Enjoy.

Well look at it this way. At least our one lost was close. So at least from that stand-point we're steady.

haha .... there`s one in every crowd ..... If Saints were 13-3 somebody would be saying the Saints are over-rated playing on "Katrina recovery" hype, and next year Saints will be back to same ole same ole.

...... and besides that, Saints SHUTDOWN one the most explosive offenses in the NFL. Have you noticed how the national sports' talkingheads are not mentioning Michael Vick every 3 words lately?

.... and not only that, NFL teams are not ranked by polls where you get ranking points for "blowing out" another team. It`s all about W`s & L`s here.

i understand where you guys are coming from but ITS ONLY WEEK 5!!!!! believe me its very refreshing to see the saints not being the saints, but I still see major weaknesses (drop passes, leaky defense, bad red zone offense) on the team that the elite teams in the nfl WILL exploit. i don't know if anyone looked at the schedule but we paly the eagles, ravens, cowboys bengals. if we beat half those teams, then i konw we're for real....i give props to the saints for stepping up, but i don't consider a 4-1 start as a successful season...and please don't reply with "oh its a successful season cuz the saints are back in New Orleans" line...i'm tired hearing that Katrina hype.

(sarcasm on)
...........I'm still not convinced about the Colts......

26-21
43-24
21-14
31-28
14-13

Only one game this year did they win by more than one score......

(sarcasm off)

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I'm neither a sunshiner nor a moonshiner. The current record is something to be proud of, but it doesn't mean anything heading into the next game. I'm with papz and fhs, this team's gotta keep the same level of intensity and focus and (for lack of a better term) unpredictability they displayed in the 1st 5 games. You can't slack off in this league because every team has the capability of kicking our butts if we don't (except the Raiders.)

a win is a win and i will take all i can.
If you are not impressed with a team that is 4 and 1 when only a couple of teams are undefeated then you always have the option to jump ship and root for the cowboys or some other flavor of the week.
for me i am impressed by every win we get and will cheer my team on each and every week

I haven't been this impressed about the Saints more than I am now, I saw how Payton put this team together in a fairly short time and his team is now 4-1 which isn't a bad record for any team much less the Saints coming off a 3-13 season .

There are problems with this team -- no doubt -- but the fact is that they are a team that toughens it out -- does not get down or rattled and will play hard to the end -- teams that do that normally have a better than average chance to win games -- plus our offense is really something that is hard to stop over the course of the game. I think our offense is better than Dallas and they put up 24 points.

Here are a couple of things to ponder...

Brees or Bledsoe? If you say the latter, you are smoking way to much dope. See this past weeks two games. One is mobile, one is not. One is skeered in the pocket, one is comfortable there.

T.O or Horn/Colston/Henderson/?? There is no doubt, that his presence caused the Cowgirls issues this past weekend. To much of a headache. Would not give up any of the three for him.

Our O-Line versus Cowboys o-line? No decision here. You see how many times Bledsoe got canned??

Our defense versus Cowboys defense? Sure they have Roy Williams, and sure they have Demarcus Ware....but......Look at the way we have played as to the way their defense has played. Look at the teams we played, and the teams they have played. Sure we may have lost Harper, but Omar will be a better fit than Dallas's second tier safety.

All this said, we should be feeling prepared for the upcoming game against the Eagles. The game is at our place, we have the weapons to compete, and our coaches are equal to theirs. Now let's get out there and kick some Arse. GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:biggun: :saintsfan:

1st off, let me say unless it's the Oakland Raiders......any team in the NFL can win on any given Sunday. The Saints are 4-1 & leading the NFC South.....bottom line. That said, Philly will be our biggest test thus far. They are one of the NFL's elite teams right now. We can achieve instant credibilty in the league with a win over Philly at home. Hopefully.....we can play an error free game & come away with a win. If we play w/errors & mental mistakes like we did against Tampa, it will be a long day.

You nailed it Gandhi! Wins are nice, but the acid test is coming up this week. I personally, would like to see how they stand up to one of the top tier teams. If we can hold our own against the Eagles (and win it because I bet $50 with an Eagles fan before the season started) NO ONE NOT ON CRACK :beatnik: will argue with this team's legitimacy.

Break out the VooDoo cause the next 4 weeks our boys are going to need some serious ju-ju!

Based on what happened to the Cowboys - on the road - we can even make several mistakes and still be in the ballgame with Philly. Bledsoe threw three terrible interceptions and missed a lot of open receivers. Don't be lulled into the fantasy he was pressured too much, he had plenty of time to make downfield passes.

... it is week 5... but there're only 16 games to a season. Just about 1/3 of the season has gone by,

Heck, are the Eagles "for real"? They were 6-10 last year -oh yeah, that was T.O.'s fault. One guy not even in the State of Pennsylvania, sure... - This year, they have the same record as the Saints, and they have beaten the Texans (1-4), the whiners (1-4), the Packers (1-4), and the Cowboys (2-2), all while squandering a 20-some point lead AT HOME against the Giants (2-2).

... look, the Saints may or may not beat Philly, but that will not determine if the Saints are "for real" or not. Beating any one team in the NFL does not make any team "for real". ... sure a lot of things can go wrong the last 11 games, like injuries, arrests, team in-fighting, other teams figuring out the playbook while the coaching staff doesn't adjust, etc. etc. etc. But for the time being, winning ugly or winning pretty, the Saints are 4-1, leading the division, and sure as hell look to have a much better foundation than any Saints team ever had after a coaching staff change and such a high player turnover at starting positions. And that's for real.

T-R, you're right. Philly has come by their record by whomping inferior teams and losing to a team they were "supposed" to, just like the Saints against Carolina. This may not be a make or break game, but it will be a serious test to see whether this team can maintain focus at home (where we've been lacking the last 5 years) and intensity against a team that has a lot of confidence in itself. This is an eminently winnable game as long as everyone's on the same page.

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Who is kick returner anyway and what does he think our record should be? There4-1 be happy they got a great chance to be 10-6 at the end of the season depending on how thing fall and who gets or doesn't get injuryed in the nfl.

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Me thinks "TheGambler" hath returned under the moniker of "fhs623".

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You may have something there mjf150

i'm not THEGAMBLER...don't know who that is

EXCELLENT argument! The Saints at least have beaten a team that has a winning record right now. Philly looks extremely vulnerable to me. Key in on Westbrook and McNabb, and that offense can be shut down. The defense is o.k., but nothing to brag about other than Trotter and Dawkins. This game could be VERY interesting.

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Somehow you've acquired the impression that a team can simply turn on greatness. You want the Saints to be like the Bears.

But teams like the Bears didn't just appear. Last year they were 11-5. They were the #1 scoring defense in all the NFL last year. They were also in the top 10 in rushing the ball last year. They didn't appear from nowhere.

The Saints are a work in progress. You have a completely new coaching staff and 24 players who were not on the squad last year.

If you want to see how tough it can be simply take a look at last week's opponent. Tampa won the NFC South with an 11-5 record last year. They have won the Super Bowl this decade. They cannot even buy a game this year.

The Saints are going to be shaky and fitful. In several areas we still don't have superior talent. I presume that when upcoming drafts and free agent acquisitions this will change over the next several years.

But what we have is a team that doesn't give up and finds ways to win. I was more impressed with the Saints with the loss in Carolina than in the wins. Down 21-10, Saints teams of the past would have conceeded the game. This team plunks an 8 spot on Carolina and are an onsides kick of getting back in the game.

Domination isn't instantaneous. You need talent, scheme, and time to get to dominance.

SFIAH