Suite Economics?

redjem25 · 10-27-2006, 04:38 PM

Not to be mean but who really cares about the suites other then Benson. The Saints are 5-1 about to be 6-1. Life is too short for these worries. After everything we have been through, we need to focus on the good.

hagan714 · 10-27-2006, 06:11 PM

i was wondering because it is like selling a car without an engine and a discount.

xan · 10-27-2006, 09:01 PM

From what I understand, the suites that have been sold have been renovated first. The rest are in proces and will be renovated afterwards. All the sold suites are to have been fully renovated by about the Cincinatti game-that's just what I've inferred from T-P reports.

spkb25 · 10-28-2006, 06:42 PM

stockman who determines how much is enough and what gives them the authority. it is now someones right to determine how much money we are allowed to earn in a lifetime. maybe you should try to worry about making money instead of trying to stop someone else. i don't know how much money you earn and i don't really care because it doesn't help or hurt me one way or the other.

GoldRush26 · 10-28-2006, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

stockman who determines how much is enough and what gives them the authority. it is now someones right to determine how much money we are allowed to earn in a lifetime. maybe you should try to worry about making money instead of trying to stop someone else. i don't know how much money you earn and i don't really care because it doesn't help or hurt me one way or the other.

Well I don't think that was his point. His point is that Tom Benson, for some reason, still seems hell bent on finding ways to get out of Louisiana. His latest "crying poor" ploy is this suite nonsense. And stockman is right. In the context of things the amount of money that Benson is haggling over is trivial. Is it his right as a businessman to do so? Absolutely, no one is denying that. But this suite issue wouldn't be an issue for a businessman that was dealing in good faith. He's trying to squeeze every last drop of blood out of this state, and for what? You have to figure he doesn't want to be here in the first place. It's not about the suite money. Nothing short of building a new stadium would satisfy him.

poydras · 10-28-2006, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Originally Posted by poydras

Look at LSU's Tiger Stadium. If you got on a waiting list for a suite right now your great grand children might have a shot at getting one. It should be like that in the SuperDome. Let's give Benson credit for staying in New Orleans as long has he has under adverse conditions and offer a little support.

Poydras,
I'm not giving Benson credit for anything. All credit goes to Paul Tagliabue and the NFL for MAKING Benson keep this team in New Orleans last year. If it wasn't for the former commisioner Benson would be doing the Alamo boogie this year and that is a fact. Fine he is a business man, but again I will ask how much is enough. It's the same question that the public routinely asks of record profit taking oil companies and pharmacutical companies. When do your profits start hurting the overall pocketbooks and psyche of your customer base? Benson may be the owner but The Saints are a civic property if I have ever seen one. This conversation is not happining with the Green Bay Packers ever. It would be unheard of to move that small market team that is owned by the city, but it is perfectly reasonable for our team to move because Mr. Benson isn't hitting his proft margin percentage? That's B.S.!
Also, your L.S.U. Tiger analogy hold no ground due to the fact that the Tigers have put a WINNING product on the field for the better part of their existence, whereas Mr. Benson has put a LOSING product on the field for the better part of his ownership tenure. Give us a Championship Mr. Benson or at least a few deep drives into the playoffs and see how many of those suites are still empty.

As far as the LSU analogy goes, all that expansion came while we were losing.

stockman311 · 10-29-2006, 09:26 AM

Oh, really? How many losing seasons/non bowl game seasons have the Tigers had in the past say 25 years?
How many losing non playoff years have the Saints had in the past 25 years?
There is no comparison to the product on the field between the two.
Benson is a slimy weasal who has fleeced the state and general public for 40 years by putting a losing product on the field and pocketing the money instead of going after big name talent on the player and coach side of things. Just because he stepped up this year does not make up for the fact that he is still dying to leave New Orleans if he doesn't get his new stadium.

hagan714 · 10-29-2006, 09:37 AM

wish I had the article were it showed the fans support vs. losses in the NFL. in that statistic base we were #1 in the NFL. no one can pull in the fans better than saints when they are stinking up the place and the laughing stock of the NFL.
I wish Benson and the nfl had to address that everytime relocation comes up.

poydras · 10-29-2006, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Oh, really? How many losing seasons/non bowl game seasons have the Tigers had in the past say 25 years?
How many losing non playoff years have the Saints had in the past 25 years?
There is no comparison to the product on the field between the two.
Benson is a slimy weasal who has fleeced the state and general public for 40 years by putting a losing product on the field and pocketing the money instead of going after big name talent on the player and coach side of things. Just because he stepped up this year does not make up for the fact that he is still dying to leave New Orleans if he doesn't get his new stadium.

That's apples and oranges. You don't measure college success just by winning seasons because there is no real parity. You measure success of a college program by how many time you go to a major bowl. At the time we built the skyboxes at Tiger Stadium, we hadn't won an SEC Championship in a long time. I think we were co-champs with Auburn one year but that was in the 80s. The last national championship was in the 50s. We went through a coach every 4 years. Still, with all that mediocrity, the skyboxes sold out very quickly.

spkb25 · 10-29-2006, 11:00 AM

stockman i don't think there is anything wrong with him wanting a new stadium. he wants that so they could actually grab another superbowl game. i am sure that is to his benny but that would also be a huge help to new orleans. the state should pony up. i don't want to hear about the hurricane as the reason they can't afford to give him that because he was asking for it long before the hurricane hit and he was being told no then. sounds to me like the state should decide how bad they want the saints. i am sorry i do not find it his obligation to let the state off the hook because they manage money badly. maybe they should cut spending in order to fund the stadium. if that is not the answer then you would have to raise revenue by increasing taxes. if that isn't the answer then unfortunately the city or state can not afford the saints and that has nothing to do with benson. why don't you go after the elected officials who have caused the problem.

10-28-2006, 08:14 PM	#15
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Originally Posted by spkb25 stockman who determines how much is enough and what gives them the authority. it is now someones right to determine how much money we are allowed to earn in a lifetime. maybe you should try to worry about making money instead of trying to stop someone else. i don't know how much money you earn and i don't really care because it doesn't help or hurt me one way or the other. Well I don't think that was his point. His point is that Tom Benson, for some reason, still seems hell bent on finding ways to get out of Louisiana. His latest "crying poor" ploy is this suite nonsense. And stockman is right. In the context of things the amount of money that Benson is haggling over is trivial. Is it his right as a businessman to do so? Absolutely, no one is denying that. But this suite issue wouldn't be an issue for a businessman that was dealing in good faith. He's trying to squeeze every last drop of blood out of this state, and for what? You have to figure he doesn't want to be here in the first place. It's not about the suite money. Nothing short of building a new stadium would satisfy him.
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594

10-28-2006, 11:23 PM	#16
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Originally Posted by stockman311 Originally Posted by poydras Look at LSU's Tiger Stadium. If you got on a waiting list for a suite right now your great grand children might have a shot at getting one. It should be like that in the SuperDome. Let's give Benson credit for staying in New Orleans as long has he has under adverse conditions and offer a little support. Poydras, I'm not giving Benson credit for anything. All credit goes to Paul Tagliabue and the NFL for MAKING Benson keep this team in New Orleans last year. If it wasn't for the former commisioner Benson would be doing the Alamo boogie this year and that is a fact. Fine he is a business man, but again I will ask how much is enough. It's the same question that the public routinely asks of record profit taking oil companies and pharmacutical companies. When do your profits start hurting the overall pocketbooks and psyche of your customer base? Benson may be the owner but The Saints are a civic property if I have ever seen one. This conversation is not happining with the Green Bay Packers ever. It would be unheard of to move that small market team that is owned by the city, but it is perfectly reasonable for our team to move because Mr. Benson isn't hitting his proft margin percentage? That's B.S.! Also, your L.S.U. Tiger analogy hold no ground due to the fact that the Tigers have put a WINNING product on the field for the better part of their existence, whereas Mr. Benson has put a LOSING product on the field for the better part of his ownership tenure. Give us a Championship Mr. Benson or at least a few deep drives into the playoffs and see how many of those suites are still empty. As far as the LSU analogy goes, all that expansion came while we were losing.

10-29-2006, 09:49 AM	#19
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Originally Posted by stockman311 Oh, really? How many losing seasons/non bowl game seasons have the Tigers had in the past say 25 years? How many losing non playoff years have the Saints had in the past 25 years? There is no comparison to the product on the field between the two. Benson is a slimy weasal who has fleeced the state and general public for 40 years by putting a losing product on the field and pocketing the money instead of going after big name talent on the player and coach side of things. Just because he stepped up this year does not make up for the fact that he is still dying to leave New Orleans if he doesn't get his new stadium. That's apples and oranges. You don't measure college success just by winning seasons because there is no real parity. You measure success of a college program by how many time you go to a major bowl. At the time we built the skyboxes at Tiger Stadium, we hadn't won an SEC Championship in a long time. I think we were co-champs with Auburn one year but that was in the 80s. The last national championship was in the 50s. We went through a coach every 4 years. Still, with all that mediocrity, the skyboxes sold out very quickly.

10-29-2006, 11:00 AM	#20
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	stockman i don't think there is anything wrong with him wanting a new stadium. he wants that so they could actually grab another superbowl game. i am sure that is to his benny but that would also be a huge help to new orleans. the state should pony up. i don't want to hear about the hurricane as the reason they can't afford to give him that because he was asking for it long before the hurricane hit and he was being told no then. sounds to me like the state should decide how bad they want the saints. i am sorry i do not find it his obligation to let the state off the hook because they manage money badly. maybe they should cut spending in order to fund the stadium. if that is not the answer then you would have to raise revenue by increasing taxes. if that isn't the answer then unfortunately the city or state can not afford the saints and that has nothing to do with benson. why don't you go after the elected officials who have caused the problem.
	Your team stinks

10-27-2006, 04:38 PM	#11
redjem25 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 203	Not to be mean but who really cares about the suites other then Benson. The Saints are 5-1 about to be 6-1. Life is too short for these worries. After everything we have been through, we need to focus on the good.

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10-27-2006, 06:11 PM	#12
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	i was wondering because it is like selling a car without an engine and a discount.

10-27-2006, 09:01 PM	#13
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	From what I understand, the suites that have been sold have been renovated first. The rest are in proces and will be renovated afterwards. All the sold suites are to have been fully renovated by about the Cincinatti game-that's just what I've inferred from T-P reports.

10-28-2006, 06:42 PM	#14
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	stockman who determines how much is enough and what gives them the authority. it is now someones right to determine how much money we are allowed to earn in a lifetime. maybe you should try to worry about making money instead of trying to stop someone else. i don't know how much money you earn and i don't really care because it doesn't help or hurt me one way or the other.

10-29-2006, 09:26 AM	#17
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Oh, really? How many losing seasons/non bowl game seasons have the Tigers had in the past say 25 years? How many losing non playoff years have the Saints had in the past 25 years? There is no comparison to the product on the field between the two. Benson is a slimy weasal who has fleeced the state and general public for 40 years by putting a losing product on the field and pocketing the money instead of going after big name talent on the player and coach side of things. Just because he stepped up this year does not make up for the fact that he is still dying to leave New Orleans if he doesn't get his new stadium.

10-29-2006, 09:37 AM	#18
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	wish I had the article were it showed the fans support vs. losses in the NFL. in that statistic base we were #1 in the NFL. no one can pull in the fans better than saints when they are stinking up the place and the laughing stock of the NFL. I wish Benson and the nfl had to address that everytime relocation comes up.