SIT REGGIE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

I'm sick and tired and depressed eleven carries for negative 5 yards?????? are you serious?????
Guys we got to sit them lad down until he can atleast run back to the scrimmage.

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Absolutely not. I disagree.

To be sure, Reggie's numbers are horrible. He still has a profound effect on our entire offense in his ability to attract attention from multiple defenders. While they key on him, the rest of our offense runs wild. You bench Reggie and our entire offense is downgraded.

Oh and we are 6-2. If it ain't broke....

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I wouldn't sit him being he needs to learn the new system but I would feed the ball to Deuce more and less to the rookie Bush.

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You beat me to the punch Goldrush............Bush is a high priced decoy, right now, while he is trying to get a feel for the game. I will ask each and every person to watch the games VERY closley(especially if you have recorded them) and watch what happens on the playfakes to Reggie...........80% of the time it opens another reciever for a long gain. I was alittle weary of Bush when we decided to draft him. I didn't want him at all. However, now, I can't see this team without him. So here is my donation for the keep Bush playing campaign.

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Exactly Reggie guarrantees atleast 1 yard a game truth not fiction.......Bucs defense did reggie like this he came in they unzipped and gave Reggie Bush a golden shower, not only did he accept that bush kid, he asked for more.

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My friend you will realize soon decoys are that decoys and they dont work for everyone well if you want -5 yards a game

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Deuce needs more touches thats it and Reggie needs to run NORTH AND SOUTH....

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How are we possibly better off sitting Reggie? I don't get it.

If nothing else, giving Reggie carries helps Deuce out. I'm sorry but I'd still rather have Reggie out there with his -5 yards rushing than have Stecker in. He's still a viable option in the passing game.

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All three passing TDs today were off of play action to Reggie. Try watching the games and not just regurgitating stats. If you did watch the game, you didn't pay attention.

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I say we just cut him. :patos:

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which quarter did the shower take place? must've missed it.

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I s Reggie not being coached on how to be a running back in the NFL, or is he just not listening. If I hear one more announcer say that "he can't run around the corners like he did in colege", I'm going to scream!! Ricky Williams had the same problem when he first started with the Saints, but he was soon coached and corrected, and he started doing better. Reggie is doing the same thing every week....trying to take everything to the corner. Several replays today showed he had holes up the middle, that he was running too fast out of the gate to even see. Decoy shmeecoy...there's no reason a kid as talented as he is and as fast as he is, can't be taught to slow down and wait for the play to develope.

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I think he just needs to learn to be more patient, and let blocks develop, this will come with time. Don't give up on Reggie bush the runningback, he is still a rookie.

Reggie and LT
 

I was watching the San Diego game and can't help but think that Reggie would make a great Running back in the mold of LT. If he could bulk up about 20 in the offseason and learn to run downhill like LT, I think he'll do just fine. We just need to learn new plays, maybe take some notes from Drew when he used to play with LT and draft up some to ease in this year. Brees just needs to mentor Reggie in the LT mold. I get the impression he already looks upon Colston as a Gates type player. Look how that turned out, eh? Sure, our O-line isn't close to San Diego, I admit that for now, but we are better than we thought preseason. WE are getting better and I think we should just give Reggie 2-3 pllays directly lifted from LT's playbook and just have him watch alot of film and talk to Drew to really get the intangibles down like workouts, prep, etc... We have an untapped resource here, a quarterback who has firsthand knowledge of a man who is very similar in stature and is a good possible role model.

I'm just saying, it's worth looking into.

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Ok you are exagerrating cleary one of those TD's was just henderson burning Rhonde Barber like disease baltimore stripper...look again.

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Why do we get the jackasses?

...obviously some people don't understand the concept of play-action. When all tthree opposing LB's and a safety stop biting on Reggie leaving the WRs one-on-one to catch them 50-yd TDs, maybe then... lest you notice that every time Reggie runs to the sideline, the whole defense runs with him.

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He hasn't seen the holes for the most part. He's play four year with bouncing to the outside in his system, and that's hard to break. He is trying to hard to break a big one. Hopefully he'll learn to be patience and get the yards he can. If not he'll be nothing more than a reciever. Which isn't bad.

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Yeah I knw and to think all pass plays we do in the west-coast hav been paly-action every pass play boy hav I've been wrong :roll: :roll:...so the question I ask you my good-man is this: "You condone negative yards gained (oximoron)?"

Also Bush is a hell ova reciever let's keep it that way I like to see Bush catch really I do but dammit he's blinder then reality at the table of mediocre QBs convention sitting in Vick's seat, wonders why Vick doesn't want to sit down. He needs to go positive to shut me up no negative.

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West Coast??? What West Coast? Are you even watching the games?

I'll tell you what I condone: grammar, a 6-2 record, and smart arguments.

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Think about why he was one-on-one. I'll wait. The Bucs don't play man coverage. There's a reason they call it the Tampa Two. Now think about who the safeties were watching and why one of them wasn't over the top. You either didn't watch the game, or you don't have much in the way of football smarts.

Make your response legible next time. I don't need an additional headache from trying to decipher another post of yours.

Reggie worked out exclusively with LT for months prior to the draft.
Tomlinson said that Reggie took his (LT's) workout to another level, and LT couldn't hang with him (Reggie).

How would a QB mentor a RB?
The two positions are too dissimilar.

Thanks for the info, Rocky, I didn't know that about Reggie and LT.

Yeah, the thing about Drew "mentoring" Reggie, I guess I mispoke, but Drew could just say, "Well, Reggie, that's not how LaDainian used to do it...", everytime he goes for the sidelines or maybe just share some of the on the field/practice squad, you know, FOOTBALL related activities he remembered about LT instead of just workouts, but I think workouts are very important and I thank you alot for telling me whats up.

But you are right, the two positions are too dissimilar. Do you know if Drew and LT were friends, or was it strictly professional? I just hope during offseason they can all 3 hang out.

Whoops!
I had that backward.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...11heisman.html
My bad.

[quote="RockyMountainSaint"]Also, this sounds kind of weird, but this quote sounds a bit patronizing, kind of how you shine on someone who wants to hang out with you, you say, "oh no, you're too cool, I can't hang out with you, I got nothing". Maybe LT is just like a Zen master who doesn't want people to find out his secrets to ultimate TD rushing, so he pretends anyone who is asking is way better, so they get an ego boost and leave him be.

Not saying that is the case, just kind of sounds like how you talk to a kid to give them confidence, but get them to stop bugging you

I hope that's not the case, and that they can be friends and Reggie can have a mentor in the RB role (other than Deuce, of course!)

Man, I had that whole complex hyothetical scenario built up in my headfor nothin!!! :argue: :bang:

Well, at least Reggie still got something to learn, get enthused, and maybe he can get that drive and focus that LT brought on.

Rock on! :cheers:

my 2cents worth....

I think coach Payton see`s what we see, and if Reggie is doing something fundamentally wrong I believe coach Payton will address it and fix it. For all I know Payton could be telling Reggie to work the corners for a particular reason, I don`t know. But, I do know we`re 6-2, and I do know this coach will get in a players face if they screw up, and I don`t think Reggie is an exception.

I gotta agree with Saintsfan4. Payton knows what he is doing. If Reggie is screwing up, Payton will take care of it. I'm not worried about Reggie. He'll be fine. He is a decoy right now, but things will change. He'll break one soon and we won't be having this conversation. I would like to see Deuce get the ball a little more, but the Saints are 6-2, so you can't really justify changing anything.

The bottom line here is, the Saints are winning with Reggie getting negative yards on the ground. When he finds his niche we will be even better.

I think we all know that we can trust Paytons judgement. Let the man do his job, he's taking care of business.

It doesn't seem like he is getting the blocking that other players are getting. He gets tackled behind the LOS. The line might need to block better.

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I absolutely agree with your disagreement.

And the only way he will get it is to keep running him out there. The coaching staff needs to analyze why he keeps getting stuffed for losses and correct it.

SFIAH

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Very deft description of his problem. The kid needs to learn to slow down in the running game and see what's going on.

But his body has had years of training to juke when he sees something. And he's doing that juking way to early in the play.

Reggie has been running on talent since he was a kid. He's going to have to relearn how to run on scheme.
But you have to teach him right. Because if you coach all of that natural talent out of him, he won't be a special as he is.

If Duece were hurt and the team was 2-6 and looked terrible, I'd actually be worred about this. Let's remember that Duece only had 91 yards rushing behind Ricky his rookie year.

Bush is already an impact player in this league both on and off the field. The team is doing well. He actually has time to learn how to be the man.

I'm willing to chill until that happens.

SFIAH

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I think it's coachable.

And keep doing it until he runs downhill through the line.

I think Payton is part of the problem. Reggie gets a lot of pitches to the outside. It doesn't develop his downhill running sense.

Run him into the middle of the line. Keep doing it until he gets it. Simple.

SFIAH

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Pass blocking we are doing A to B rated work
Run Blocking is a solid C.
Run blocking is harder to refine than pass blocking. done end of story.
Bush has to control his instincts. that is hard to do. But one day soon the Defenses around the NFL will have to stop keying on him. Drew is killing them. Defenses are playing us like last year. stop the run and dare the QB to them. well he is. soon my childeren, soon.
so relax and have the faith

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I don't see any reason to sit the guy. Reggie does make for a great decoy. He's also a very good receiver. I don't like the breaking for the sideline stuff every carry, but he needs to be in the game......even if it's only as a decoy/receiver. I just would like to see Deuce get the majority of the running plays. Deuce is a better RB than Reggie right now. Let him carry the brunt of the load. Reggie can still be involved.......just not more often in the running game than Deuce, which is what I've seen lately.

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Whoever called the game pretty much said everything that needed to be said about what Reggie's doing wrong out there (for once I enjoyed the commentating). He needs to be more patient and needs to stop bouncing everything outside. This isn't college anymore... he's got to learn to go north and south.

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Man, I'd look like crap too if I had 11 people from the other team on me from start to finish.

C'mon, guys. Give the kid a break. Teams are pulling out college films of Reggie and are studying them way ahead of time to learn how to game plan against him. They spend so much time focusing on Reggie that they don't scout the rest of our team adequately. (IE - Colston).

Why the hell do you think we're 6-2? Like everyone else said, take Reggie out and I guarantee you our offense gets worse. The running game might get a tad better, but the passing game will decrease in effectiveness dramatically.

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Reggie needs to spend time in the film room and with the scout team on running plays. The boy's gotta learn watching the great runners and then mimmicking them.

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If anyone on this team should be mentoring Bush, it should be Deuce. Different running styles, I'll grant you, but Deuce could give the kid some pointers on staying patient, picking a hole, then turning the jets on...

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...I tell you what... as long as half the defense follows Bush either left or right and leaves Colston or Devery 1-on-1 with a 5'10" DB out there and Brees finds them for 30+ 40+ yd TD's, it is all good with me.

You all talk about coaching, but you forget a small detail: Reggie Bush has never been coached to be a RB.
In collge - and most likely H.S. also - he ran on pure instinct and relied on his superior speed and physical ability to run circles around everyone. In the NFL, while he's still faster than most, he's not disciplined enough to do things like wait for a play to develop or cutting rather than reversing, because he never had to do that before.. It is going to take some time for him to learn that.

Also, the offensive line is new. We have guys who never played together, just started to play this year, even one guy who played his first NFL game at LT, playing on a new system. Yes they showed that hole that Reggie missed, but those holes aren't there often. Even when Deuce is running the ball, he rarely goes a yard or 2 past the line without getting hit. The o-line play is something that's going to take some time to develop also.

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bush has a huge effect on other teams d's. teams are keying on him and it is opening other things. i would like to see deuce get more touches but i have an opinion that myabe he is still gettig healthy. we got a win and i will take that every time. keep reggie in he opens up the feild and allows for other things to happen. we are 6-2 and bush having minus 5 yards did not hurt the team so why sit him something is working right.

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Yes we do run a west-coast offense notice Brees short step drops we also ran WC with Brooks back in 2000-2002. So in accordance of what you've said I condone people who knw formations and plays in football not CPU geeks that don't knw the terminology or no the game thank-you