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wide reciever maybe? I think if he could be sold on it the Saint's would be devastating on offense. I can imagine him on one side, Devery on the other, both running fly routs. Who are the safetys going to cover? It would be another way to stretch the defense, and allow deuce to run wild. The safetys would have to play deep coverage, negating their run support. The middle of the field would open up for the TE's and RBs. Who can cover both Devery and Reggie? Nobody I know of.
I think Reggie can be a great back but he needs lots of carries, needs to learn to use his blockers, needs better blocking, and needs to bulk up a bit, if he can. He could develop, but needs to quit playing flag football. Just pick a hole and run straight through it and don't look back. Do all the dancing around in the endzone. You should never lose yards on a run. It seems that he is always trying to take more than is there.

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Reggie is a RB but has great receiving skills too, give him time and he'll prove himself, he has a lot to learn but has a great staff to help him along the way..

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Not a good idea. Reggie is most useful in the backfield. The LB's and S's have to cheat up to respect Reggie's skill thus opening up the field. If you flank him out, the S's are no longer cheating and no doubt he would make a few plays, but for our offense he is best used from the backfield. AS LTF said, give the young man some time to learn the speed of the NFL and he will be a one of a kind talent.

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He is fine right were he is. Drew will force teams out over reacting to Bush soon. If he does not then Duce will. Then Bush will have his day

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WR... no reggie will learn how to do the cut backs and run threw the holes and not break to the outside he has to be patient thats the problem reggie is going to fast he needs to slow down let the hole open and go threw it not get the ball studder then go outside he will learn....

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i'm really starting to worry about reggie's ability as a running back.... we all know he creates mismatches coming out of the backfield as a receiver, but he's so worried about making the big play every time that he gets nowhere fast.... payton and the rb's coach really need to hammer into his head that he needs to square his shoulders to the line of scrimmage and run upfield.... even w/ his speed, when he dances around the defender has time to catch up to him and drag him down... if he starts running upfield, he wouldn't be able to be caught by too many players, but he gives defenders time to catch him by dancing around and going nowhere while waiting for the traffic to clear... needs to work on that really quickly... we don't need a really expensive decoy, we need a really expensive running back to complement deuce

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A perfect analysis.

What people haven't figured out is that Reggie's talent cannot be coached. Either you have it or you don't. And Reggie has it.

But everything above can be coached. It can be learned.

Reggie has to learn that there are gears in this game. You hit the hole too fast and it won't be there. Same if you hit is too slow.

Reggie is so used to juking defensive players out of their socks, that the patience necessary to let the play develop hasn't gotten there yet.

But the coaches have to do their part too. I see way too many pitches and sweeps for Reggie. They need to run him into the line. And then run him into the line. And then guess what? Run him into the line again. They need to scheme plays where the blocking will create a hole.

It's practice, timing, and trust. And it must be learned and coached.

Reggie will get there. But he going to have to slow down a bit and trust the line to do their job.

He understands this intellectually. He's stated in interviews that he understands that the NFL is a "one cut and go" league.

But knowing it in your mind, and trusting it in your body are two different levels. He simply hasn't gotten to that second level yet.

But he will. And then watch out.

SFIAH

The problem would be that Reggie is experienced as a running back and runs routes a running back runs. He isn't trained to run wide receiver routes. Those routes require more than just speed. You have to know how to utilize that speed to get separation. I think we're doing well the way we're using him right now.

UGh yall look at him as a starting RB and he is not... he really has never been. He is a Specail Teams guy and loves returning punts and KO's. He is a third down back not suited for WR. Reggie is being used to pro-long the carreer of Deuce. Everything is fine.

This trash about Reggie not being a runningback is getting old guys. HE IS STILL A ROOKIE! Give him time to develop his skill in the NFL, and he will be ok. How many runningbacks come into the league and dominate right away. Not many. It took tiki Barber a few years to figure it out, and look at him now. Preist Holmes wasn't always a great back, I bet not many guys here remember him on the Ravens as a backup to Eric Rhett?Shaun Alexander didn't come in and lead the league in rushing right away, it took a few years. Now there are some exceptions, but it typically takes time to develop. All I'm saying for the 100th time, is be patient, and give him time to figure the NFL out. the guy who said something about letting Reggie and devery run fly patterns down the field, that wont work. The reason that our guys are able to get down field for deep passes during the game, is because of Reggie Bush running routes in the middle of the field. He forces the safteties to come up, which gives Joe and Colston one-on-one coverage.

were 6-2 and they want to rearrange the team. Oh yeah same group screaming the sky is falling at 5-2.
CALM THE F_DOWN
Growing pains have been so nice so far in year one.
there is no need to complain about farting
when it could have easly been diahrea.

no one said the sky is falling..... nah screw it... i've already tried to explain it..... you just think what you want to on that one hagan.... seems like some ppl will never get it through their heads.... and you sir are no different....

As a Lakers fans, I remember Kobe Bryant's rookie year. It was rough and it took time for him to develop court awareness, learn how to penetrate pro defenses and find passing lanes to his teammates. But despite all these mistakes and even some airballs Kobe improved each year and the rest is history. In the NBA, some players are more naturally ready for the pros in their first years (Tim Duncan, Lebron James) than others (Kobe, Jermaine O'Neal). Same holds true for the NFL, so don't lose confidence in Reggie just because Maroney and Addai are running better this year.

Ahh, I see this is a trend.............................................

I think Reggie really fills the flanker position. Loosely defined as "The third receiver or the slot receiver. Generally, the flanker will be a bit smaller and faster than the split end, as the split end has to be prepared to be hit the instant the ball is snapped. The Flanker is also sometimes called the Z receiver.
The flanker is going to get to catch a lot of passes because he's quick and fast, and because he's lined up on the quarterback's right side. Right handed quarterbacks prefer to throw to their right, instead of throwing across their body to the left.
The flanker also has responsibilities to block defenders if this will be a running play. He also helps just by being split out to the right side - this gives the defense more field to worry about, and who ever is assigned to cover the flanker is one less guy available to try to sneak into the backfield and ambush the quarterback. "

He's really doing a good job in a complex position. The stats lie as to his true impact on the field. Watch a game and when he moves a finger the defenses all adjust.

Truer words were never spoken. People don't seem to understand that Reggie's filling a tough position, and that he's a rookie. He moves and the whole defense keys on him. EVERY team the Saints have faced have been intent on stopping Reggie, and Brees and Deuce have taken advantage of it. Bush has been an outstanding team player and a HUGE boost to this offense. If we didn't have him, Colston wouldn't have nearly as may catches, yards, or TDs as he does. The thing is, though, if they roll coverage to Colston...Joe, Devery, Deuce, Reggie, etc. can still destroy them. If the Saints can get a stud TE (think Gonzo), this offense will be nearly unstoppable.

i know i'm worried.... how come laurence maroney has figured it out, joseph addai has figured it out, maurice drew-jones, hell, even mike bell figured out.... and they are all rookies.... so what really then is the problem with reggie? even though it's never going to be admitted, the pressure to be great is weighing heavily and he feels this pressure to hit the home run with every carry.... i know for a fact that his ankle is more serious than what is being said.... he has some serious inflammation in it, which would be bothersome, and is probably to blame somewhat, but still he shouldn't be dancing around the backfield as he is.....

Have you seen the lines that the other rooks are rushing behind?? ANYONE can be a 1,000 yard rusher in Denver. The Pats have a better run-blocking line, as do the Colts and Jags. He is impatient and he's pressing. But the simply fact that teams are absolutely eschewing pass defense to stop him should tell you something about how dangerous opposing DCs think he is.

well we can argue the Colts but I'll give you the others.

I can agree with that. However, I think that Mulroney, Jones-Drew, and Norwood would do better behind the Saints line than Reggie has done.
That hits the nail on the head. Reggie hasn't yet learned to run behind blocks and to trust his blocking.

At every level so far, Reggie has simply be able to outrun the competition. The other guys learned how to run within the flow of the blocking scheme before.

On the other hand, Reggie has virtually singular talent. He can still learn to run behind his blocking scheme. Once he does, it's going to get crazy.

Also I'd like to point out that in the TB game, Duece wasn't a stud either. 15 attempts for 32 yards isn't a game breaking performance.
Same for Duece too. But the Saints are too potent in both aspects of the game to be contained. Our offense is pick your poison football, just as it needs to be for now.

Now this will have to change as we move into playoff football. The entire offense including Reggie and Duece needs to figure out how to dominate in the run game even when the defense is determined to stop it.

So Reggie has some time to learn. Not a lot, but some.

SFIAH

I agree. He's got to learn patience. That's the main problem with him. The kid has crazy physical talent, but he not only has a giant bullseye on him, he's gotten frustrated and he seems to be trying too hard to be a human highlight reel. Like I said, if we can get a TE like Gonzo next offseason, this offense will really scare people.

Maroney, Jones-Drew, and Norwood probably would do better behind our line because they're more in Deuce's mold, especially Maroney. They're more power backs with a huge dose of speed than someone who's a blazingly fast 'tweener (which is what Bush is at this point).

i don't know, but i just really feel that reggie is trying to always hit the homerun, which is why he dances around in the backfield and tries to get to the corner, rather than squaring his shoulders upfield, and running full steam ahead.... whether those guys are jones-drew a power back? i'm not too sure about that one.... maroney, norwood, and addai yeah, but jones-drew is more of a slasher like reggie.... at least that's how he was in college... the biggest thing is that reggie is so used to being able to escape and fly down the field after dancing around and making ppl miss, that he is relying on that ability, only that in the nfl, everyone is a lot faster, so he can't rely on his speed as much as when he was playing the arizona's and washington state's of the world.... hopefully, in the offseason, he'll watch a lot of film and see how poorly his running has been and he starts to turn the ball upfield rather going east-west all the time...

Jones-Drew is like 5'7" 220. He's got speed, but he's built like a fire hydrant.

I swear, some of you guys don't even read other posts on this board. I don't even understand why we're discussing this.

NFL coaches were studying this kid before he was even drafted. You guys are freaking out after 8-games of his rookie year. Give it a rest. This kid gets game-planned for nearly as much as LT.

Moving on...

Oldies has it down. What are you supposed to do as a running back when defenses are basically planning for one thing....your demise. Reggie has to deal with this EVERY WEEK. It's almost as if fight or flight adrenaline rushes overcome opposing defenses to make sure he goes nowhere. If you notice they'll practically celebrate twice as much whenever they tackle him down. It could be just me but thats what I am seeing. You can't deny the fact that the attention he draws is a big reason for Colston and Brees' success. My only frustration with Reggie isn't the fact that his stats are lousy but he is not helping his own cause either. You take the notion that defenses are planning against you and you know you are gonna face some serious aggression from run defenses but when you do too much jigglin and juking before you hit top speed.......but I like most of you understand that HE WILL learn to adjust and be more north-south about it. You guys talk about Addai and Maroney. Who are their QB's? And who do you think defenses are going to plan for when they play those guys? It certainly isn't the RB's. Eventually people will see that Brees is developing (if he's not already there) into one of these elite types of Qb's. When that happens I promise you'll see less 8 in the box issues and ultimately....leaving Reggie with a little breathing room. We are 6-2 and I am heading into dangerous territory this weekend. I have a Steelers fan and a Falcon fan coming to my house to watch the game. Pray for me guys. BELIEVE IN THE TEAM AND THE SYSTEM. The Saints will succeed. GO SAINTS!!!!! :saintsfan:

Reggie is not and cannot be utilzed as a receiver. He is a back and has the special presence to be a special weapon when he comes down off Cloud 9. Y'all remember the Thunder and Lightning package of NY Giants? That is what NOLA has right now with Reggie and Deuce and once they can ultimately exploit the potential this has (with Drew looking out Colston?)....hoo boy.
Any of you resident NOLAs think Reggie is being 'featured' too much? My fear in that Ravens game was that the team is forcing Reggie way too much. Trying to pass in the end zone? http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/images...s/eusa_doh.gif I never watched USC but did he do that in college?

Reggie at USC 2005


200 -1740 Net Rushing

37 - 478 Rec

0-2 Passing

19 TD

18 - 179 1 TD Punt Returns

28 - 493 KO Returns

2890 All-Purpose Yards

HA! Add 0-1 passing in the NFL. Nice post by the way Tally.

Heck even Wali Lundy of the Texans has more rushing yards, a better yard per carry and more TDs.

Man I'm glad we took mario Williams.

What's the Texans' record, again?

Yep, you might as well change the subject. I would too if my team used the #2 pick in the draft on a punt returner/3rd WR.

I really hope that was typed while tongue in cheek.

Welcome Overalls. It's been slow lately so I welcome your pot stirring.
It will be hard, however, for you make a good point here due to Mario's below average output and the fact that when teams play against the Saints they are always looking for #25.
Oh and the Saints have a winning record too, by the way. How 'bout them Texans?

Without a doubt I am VERY glad we did not pick Reggie.

So were serious. Boy, your credibility took a hit there so you've got some making up to do.
If you're not sold on Reggie's abilty on the field then you're probably just looking at numbers and not watching the games.

Opposing coaches plan around this guy, man. Just last week Gruden made up posters for his players regarding Reggie. Not Brees, Colston or McAllister. Reggie. A rookie.

That said, It's what he's done and said off-field that makes me glad that the Saints signed him. Did you know that he's given 25% of his earnings to the Katrina relief efforts? What's Mario up to?

Really. Reggie is going to make defenses in this league look silly when he settles down a bit. Taking a defensive end (with unproven talent by the way) over a fast, intelligent runningback with soft hands was just plain silly.

Reggie would not have been a good fit for the Texans. There he would have instantly had to be THE MAN with no opportunity to grow into the role.

The Saints already had THE MAN in Duece. Reggie can be afforded some time to grow in our organization.

So I'm quite glad that the Texans didn't pick Reggie either.

8 games does not an NFL career make.

SFIAH