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Originally Posted by chRxis

no you weren't just simply voicing you opinion.... you were very condescending in the way you tried to refute what i was saying.... look, i have no problem (and i do mean NO problem) with ppl having opinions that oppose my own, but when you present them, have a little bit more class and respect for my idea/opinion, much like i do about other ppl's idea/opinion.... i don't come out and say "no, you're wrong about this or that".... i try to give the other person something else to think about in hopes that they too might see it from my side.... but i don't try to embarass or taunt the other person to belittle the other person into thinking like me.... see your post when you say "evidence?"..... for example.... this comment is filled with arrogance and a staunch attitude.... it's just simply insulting.... i don't mind you disagreeing, just do it with a bit more class.....

Actually I was questioning why you are voicing that opinion. It's fine to feel whatever you feel. However it helps to understand why you feel that way.

I say evidence because that what I do. I tell you what I think, then bring in some facts to support why I think that way. You can refute the opinion, and you can refute the evidence too. But it at least brings something to the table to discuss.

Simple example. Here's my opinion:

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Marques Colston will not catch another pass in the 2006 season.

Most folks would have a problem with that opinion. Most would point out that the kid is near the top of the league in catches, yards, and tied for TD. Many would point out that when he became the number 1 WR on the field last week, he stepped up with 11 catches and 123 yards, and a TD.

That's evidence. Evidence to refute the argument.

So while my (and your) opinion are certainly there for us to make, it helps to bring something to the table to support it.

It's not arrogance. It's a discussion. At least that's how I feel about it.

SFIAH

Definitely noticing a trend......................... :?

gaw...me and SFIAH's arguement doesnt even get noticed because of the bickering between ChRxis and everyone else......Im still in the old Saint's thinkin and would be happy with a playoff appearance...i dont expect us to win it all this year, but i think we have a chance. We have come a long way this year....and it would be great to have a 1st round bye and home field throughout. but im not gunna count on it. We got a long stretch of tough games comin our way, and our focus should be one game at a time. Get past Pitt, the think about Cincy, and so on. But i like wher your head is at.......

what you quoted wasn't an opinion.... you are making a truth claim..... an opinion is like saying i rather blue than red, or i rather the black jersey to the white ones.... there is no truth to the statement, just matters of taste.... but what i've been getting for doing that is a bunch of crap... it's like i'm saying i lke the color blue, and then someone comes along and says i'm wrong for liking the color blue and gives me "evidence" to support the color red..... do you see what i'm saying? i don't have any problems with the red lovers, i just don't want the red supporters to tell me i'm wrong about the way i feel about the color blue.... that's annoying.... i don't tell ppl they are "wrong" for liking red... of course, i'm running with this metaphor, but it's the easiest way to explain myself.... well, i'm going to work, and willl be back on at about 10:30pm so i'll continue this discussion later, but i hope everyone can understand where my frustration comes in... i just get tired of hearing i'm "wrong" about my opinion or point of view.... that's all....

twenty paces and turn! :gun: :biggun:

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twenty paces and turn!

"He said twenty paces"

"You walk off paces faster than me"

"What exactly does he mean by 'turn'?"

"My paces are a longer stride than yours"

"He didn't say fire after you turn"

"He doesn't have to say it, that's what that little cartoon thingy is"

"That's only your opinion"

"No, just ask BnB or anyone else here"

"You're hurting my feelings"

(snicker)

8)

Whew! ......and I thought I was adamant about my opinions! :D Can't we all just get along?

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Originally Posted by chRxis

i think that if the bears or giants get home field, that will be a significant advantage for them.... that's why it's important each week that we don't have any "good losses".... hopefully, ppl start to understand why i was so upset after that game... not that we lost, but that we let the rest of the nfc get ahead or catch up to us.... i'm not being stupid when i get upset after a loss or act irrational as if they were going to win every game, but we could be tied for first and depending on the outcome of the giants bears game, we'd be in a position to have the inside track for home field throughout.... that's what i meant when i said we would look back and think "i wish we would have gotten that game".... but everyone thought i was giving up on them and being "doom and gloom", but this scenario is what i was thinking about.... the missing the playoffs thing was a bit much and was probably emotion talking, but the home field thing will be crucial this year.... it will be tough to go on the road in january and play the bears or giants on their turf, in their weather, with their fans....

I'm in complete agreement here. The fairy tail stories of the 2005 Steelers and the 1984 Raiders are rarer than finding a Panthers fan here on this board. Usually the teams that get into the SB and win it are the high seeds.

SFIAH

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Originally Posted by chRxis

Kind sir,

I respectfully disagree with the differentiation you make between an opinion and a truth claim. Or more to the point the assertion that you made in this thread that the Saints would lose to the Falcons and the Panthers. I took that as a truth claim and then proceeded to point out potential flaws in the assertion. I have trouble differentiating a truth claim of losing to a team that we've already beat and an opinions.

Just wanted to clarify.

SFIAH

Let me get my dictionary... just kidding!

Or am I? :dunce: