Reggie Bush running N-S
 

... am I wrong, or was Reggie actually running North-South most of the game?
This bods well for the Saints since he was getting 5 yds a pop. Also, for those people who were saying Reggie is soft and tries to avoid contact,, 2 Steelers got injured after contact with Reggie.

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The kid is learning, might take time but in the end Bush will be great playing in the NFL..
Tobias, it was sweet to see him run up the middle.

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He hesitates hitting the whole between the tackles.

oh yeah... and he fumbles.

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The look on Polumolu's face when he was on the bench was price less.... he didnt know were he was..... Reggie did good that game

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I`m excited about this kid Reggie. He`s got the talent, speed, the right attitude, a team player, gives you 100% every time.

as a side note, I think going into the Steelers game that the Steelers have not given up a 100 yard game to a single back this season. And I suppose thats still the stat, but if you add up Reggie`s 49 yards and Deuce`s 60 yards .. well, you do the math.

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Okay.....two guys I'm not so big on nowadays.......Jammal Brown & Reggie Bush. While Brown continues his streak of consecutive games with a false start penalty, Reggie continues his streak of costly turnovers. Though I am glad to finally see him running north & south, he's not hitting the holes fast enough & he's not seeing his alleys. Sorry fellas.....I'm a realist. I want to see more Deuce & far less Reggie in the running game.

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Bush is a rookie, he is still learning the game, if this continues to be a problem next season then I'll worry about the fumbles. As for Brown false starts are hurting the team, and killing drives, but I wonder why so many of the people have such high expections of a team that went 3-13 last season.

Enjoy this record and this rebuilding process, for not many teams can rebuild and win games at the same time.

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So are Lawrence Maroney & Marques Colston, but they're not putting the ball on the ground. I'm sorry......I was a "give the rookie a chance" kinda' guy too, but enough is enough. After 9 games, I haven't seen anything but blunders from the guy. We all want him to succeed, but sooner or later.......enough's enough! We've got a good RB (Deuce).....hell, a really good one. Let's use him until Reggie can see the holes, stops falling on the 1st tackle, & quits putting the damn ball on the ground. I'm not asking for the guy's head.....I just want to see us use our better back more often. I know they're trying to keep Reggie involved, but there comes a time when you have to cut your losses & say "You know what.....I'm going with the guy that gives us a better chance to win....NOW."

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I hate to break it to you, but Deuce wouldn't be performing as well as he is without Reggie. Reggie is keeping him fresh as well as destracting the defense and keeping them guessing. Deuce is getting older now, they're trying to preserve his career, get the most out of him without burning him out quickly, and get Reggie some experience at the same time - all of that and still trying to win games.

I think they've been quite successful so far doing all three.

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What he said.

They've been quite successful against mediocre teams. The meat of the schedule is coming up and turnovers are what determines going to the playoffs and staying home. I want the rose-colored glasses like like the rest of you but I was watching the games not drinking the kool-aid. Deuce needs the ball close to the goal line with Karney lead blocking period. Reggie is good for off-tackle plays, slot receiver plays and occasionally an up-the-middle play to keep the defense honest. We could kill alot more of the clock and reduce the number of turnovers and turnover situations with Deuce getting 70-75% of running plays and Bush getting the rest with his pass-receiving thrown in for good measure. Offensive drives are about flow and with the great QB we now have and the constant of Deuce's running ability mixed with Colston and Reggie's receiving skills we could have a better record right now with less turnovers.


Bush:

81 carries for 207 yards = 2.6 average. Longest rush of 18 yards and 1 TD (as a running back).



McAllister:

126 carries for 547 yards = 4.3 average. Longest rush of 57 yards with 7 TDs.

Not to mention, Reggie has fumbled twice in crucial situations that turned the game around and played a crucial part in 2 of our 3 losses.

C'mon Payton, give Deuce the ball and let's finish this season out strong.

Besides that fumble, Bush looked real good out there on Sunday. It was very encouraging seeing him going through those holes then dancing... instead of dancing and boucing everything outside. He's still a rookie and is only going to get better.

Bush looked better. I have to agree with you on the north south bit. The next step is for him to continue that N-S about 3 to 5 yards deeper into the second level. he is still cutting east and west in the middle of the first level. Well that is better than before he gets there.
If the defense could keep the points down and drew keeps lighting them up. Opposing defense will have to stop focusing on bush. till then no team wants to the one that Reggie Bush has his break out against. Bush should have a better day against Cinnci.

This is one of those rare instances where T-R and I agree. :wink:

Reggie is slowly completing phase one of his maturation...run North and South. He did it well and effectively. He saw holes and hit them and when he didn't see holes.....he gave the people in the way concussions. PRICELESS! Now for phase two. With Reggies erratic running styles comes....an erratic way of holding on to the football. If you notice Deuce now a days when he runs only one arm is moving. The other arm is securing the ball as tight as anyone can secure a football. Reggie right now is moving both arms thus...the arm with the ball is kind of moving all over the place when he runs which means the right shot or strip and he will lose it. I'm sure as time goes on and he gets drilled by Payton for fumbling he will realize that the arm that carries is going have to virtually attach itself to his chest with a very tight grip so it won't fall out of his hands. HE'LL GET THERE!

Bush should take a page from Willie Parker's book and learn how to really use his speed on the field.

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..hate to break it to you, but Deuce has more fumbles (3) than Reggie (2).

Reggie hasn't shown to be a chronic fumbler yet. He fumbled like 4 times last year at USC, so I don't think its going to be a huge problem, just another thing that he'll have to learn to do a bit differently at the pro level. Payton should give him some game footage of the way Tiki Barber runs with the ball; he WAS the master of fumblitis (about as bad as The Nameless Number 2) and that has been fixed mainly through correcting his mechanics.

And last I checked, Reggie didn't let Parker break off two big runs that led to touchdowns, or was the one to have the game-sealing fumble at the very end of the game.

If you want to get technical, Deuce has fumbled 3 times but only lost two of those, Bush has fumbled twice, lost both times and threw an interception in the red zone. Neither of Deuce's contributed to the Saints losing.

So it begs to ask, where were the people to recover Bushes fumbles for the team, when Deuce's get recovered? Coincendence? Things just happen!!! One of Bushes fumbles gets recovered then we possibly win this past Sunday's game.
Players need to be around Bush is running to help out.

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I said the very same thing. It has taken him time, more than most predicted, but this guy is use to running the entire field in the NCAA and the defenses in the NFL run as fast as he does. He will get it. and LORD HELP THE NFL WHEN HE DOES!

... now that's just silly, but if you want to get even more techincaller:

First, Reggie is not a QB. He was asked by his coach to throw a pass into the red zone and he did it. His coach admitted he made a bad call.

Second, Deuce had the fortune to have teammates recover his fumbles in 2 occasions. Probably it has to do with the plays called for each: while Deuce runs in traffic and there are usually teammates around him, they try to give Reggie the ball in space, so if he fumbles, chances are there are not going to be many teammates around him to make a play on the ball.

But the fact remains, Deuce has fumbled the ball 3 times and Reggie only 2, and if espn.com is correct, both have touched the ball 144 times each from scrimmage.

Thus we go back to TD's and yards per carry average and I've made my point all over again about keeping the main carries with Deuce and fewer carries with Bush. I don't hold my breath have as much waiting for something bad to happen with Deuce as I do with Bush. Deuce will wear defenses down and bigger gains will be made in the fourth quarter for Bush with his quickness to take advantage of it. NOT the other way around.

No, you have not made any point. From scrimmage, Deuce has 3 fumbles and Reggie has 2. You You tried to bring in the INT and point out that 2 of Deuce's fumbles were recovered, and now you want to dwelve in averages and stats, but the fact is that, on the same amount of touches from scrimmage, Deuce put the ball on the carpet 3 times to Reggie's 2. You can feel however you want to feel, obviously, but the fact remains, Deuce has 3 fumbles and Reggie has 2. That's not an average, that is not a stat, that just the way it is.

I noticed this, too, and it made me very happy. He does that thing that Deuce does, where point of contact, he ends up falling forward and gets an extra 3-4 yards. It's a total LT thing, also liked the spin he incorporates and that "leaping small buildings in a single bound" TD only adds to the myth that is Reggie. I'm so looking forward to listening to the next game, when Reggie comes on home with some new tricks in his bag, I bet the crowd will make it such that he will be encouraged to "run downhill" is what I say (thats the same as North/South, right?).

But as far as the fumble issue goes, do you guys think it's the same as what Tiki Barber used to have, and couldn't he try to do what Tiki did, or is it too much of an adjustment or is it still not known how Tiki got rid of his penchant of fumbilitis??

I noticed during the game that two starters for the Steelers got hurt trying to tackle him. He has been playing a little hurt all season too. But he got a rushing touchdown, and this is jsut the beginning.

I'm sorry Tobias, I guess when I look at the OVERALL picture I see TD's and rushing averages and points in the game when momentum changes off of bad plays. Deuce is still way ahead of Bush no matter what kool-aid you're drinking. So still when you look at who has cost this team more, Bush wins. There, you happy now? How about giving Deuce some love since all you hear about is the poster child for ESPN. Deuce contributes as much if not more than our second pick of the draft with LESS negative yardage, less turnovers and less momentum-changers and add to that MORE touchdowns and you have a back that needs more touches in our offense. I'm not trying to make any other point than that. I just want to see a consistent running game helping out our great passing game.

turn overs are way down from the past few years. so lighten-up. we just can not come up with any thats all.
who's fault is that? defense. secondary can not catch a cold.

Well spoken. You sir, are today's recipient of the "Captain Obvious" award. :lol: It's nice to see posters who make their judgements based on what they see in the games, & not what kind of stats they read on NFL.com . Hey.....AB had great stats. We all know how that project turned out now, don't we? Not saying Reggie is a Brooks type cancer for this team. I think he contributes in different ways. I'm just saying.....stats don't always tell the whole story. :wink:

It is not about drinking any kool-aid or giving anyone love, or saying one is better than the other, and especially is not about reading any stats anywhere.

I originally responded to a post that meantion Reggie's fumbles, specifically :
and pointed out that Deuce has more fumbles than Reggie. That Deuce had the fortune that 2 of his fumbles were recovered by his teammates and therefore no real harm came about because of those fumbles, has nothing to do with the fact that , still, Deuce has fumbled the ball 3 times and Reggie has fumbled the ball 2 times.

any way you look at it... bush is still a rookie... and other rookies do fumble too.. maroney had a huge fumble against the jets last week and it cost them the game.... and truly if u watch when reggie runs the ball... there are 8 men in the box every single time... when he lines up in the backfield... they stack the box on him... when they line him up outside... the defense is shifted to that side... everyone is so quick to bash reggie cuz he isnt producing like the MEDIA said he would... but he is doing the things that he needs to do and that is being a teammate first and his presence as a decoy has aided this offense tremendously... yes i know colston is a beast... but its easy being a beast when you have single coverage on the outside b/c everyone is keying on reggie...

THANK YOU. I think everyone should get off of Reggie's back. People can compare him to Maroney and Addai and Jones-Drew and all that, but the fact is that his running style was much different from those guys in college. In addition to that, his running style was far more successful than theirs in college. When something has worked for you in college, it's hard to change it, but slowly he is changing his ways anyway.

Besides his maturation process, he still enables the rest of the offense. He enables Deuce, Colston, Henderson, Horn, everyone. Offenses are STILL keying on him. Once he learns how to run N-S more consistently it won't matter though. But if anyone thinks that Colston would still be putting up these phenomenal numbers if we had drafted AJ Hawk you're smoking something.

What games are you watching? In the last 3 games, Colston has drawn double coverage nearly the whole game. We can make all the excuses we want for Superman....a.k.a. Reggie Bush, & some of them are valid, but saying Colston is doing what he's doing because of Reggie is total B.S. :? . Watch the games.....LB's are with him in the middle zone & safeties are moving up playing robber on him when he beats the zone. That's double coverage bud! :wink: The man is just beating it!!!! :?

....and I guess Brees is doing so well because Reggie is just a beast in pass protection, huh? C'mon people.....the guy will be good, no doubt, but you guys sound like the West Coast media...."the Saints are so good because of Reggie Bush." Give me a break! Yes....he draws attention & yes he makes contributions, but don't give the dude credit for the way Brees, Colston, Deuce, & the O-line is playing. That's such B.S.!!!!!!

I'm not saying that Brees and company would be garbage without Reggie, but horrible stats or not, Reggie makes us a better team and he makes everyone better around him. That's it. I think everyone would agree with that.

... actually, Colston is at the point where he's opening things for the other receivers.

I think we can agree that all of our team players are important. We don't need to get into this contest saying which skill position player is more important than the other. Reggie helps our passing game. Eventually when Reggie learns to run N-S he can utilize the help that our passing game would be giving him. Fair enough.

I'm not saying that one player is more important than the other. I'm just saying that at this point it is Colston who's drawing the double and triple coverages, which usually leaves the other receivers man-to-man or wide open.

It's time for Bush to stop *****footing around
the line of scrimmage and start going up field.

:bnb:

Bush did better today.

SFIAH

I think that with the loss of Colston in the 1st quarter of this game & the outcome afterwards, people on here will start to realize just how important the kid from Hofstra really is to this team. :wink: