Am I missing something on this tiebreaker?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-18-2006, 01:18 PM

Found a site talking about NFC playoff scenarios:

http://simononsports.blogspot.com/20...breakdown.html

Most of it made sense. However I was a bit confused about the Eagles winning a bye.

Philadelphia Eagles

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How to Bye It: Win Out Combined with Saints Dual Losses or Finish in 3-way tie at 10-6 with Seahawks and Saints

of course the first part makes sense. However the three way tie (Saints, Eagles, Seahawks all 10-6) did not. I've been working from the tiebreaker rules on NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers

Byes are determined using the wildcard rules on division champions. The first meaningful tiebreaker is common head-to-head, which none of the three teams had. Next is conference. Now this has some legs. The Eagles are currently 7-3, the Saints 8-2. 10 wins for the Saints would mean equal 9-3 conference records (as the Eagles have to win out to win the division and to get to 9-3 in conference). Seattle is out of the mix with 5 conference losses.

Now from what I understand, if a team drops off the pace, they are out of the running and the others start over from the top. So you have Saints and Eagles, go to the two way tiebreak, which of course head to head is the first tiebreaker.

This site indicates that the Eagles would get the #2 seed, but I don't see it.

Am I missing something?

Of course the easiest way for the Saints to make it moot is to win out. That's definitely the best way.

SFIAH

SaintPauly · 12-18-2006, 01:44 PM

Being that we beat the Eagles, that would put us ahead of them automatically right?

TheGambler · 12-18-2006, 01:55 PM

The only thing I can figure is that if the Saints went 10-6, then that means they'd have to lose one of their remaining 2 NFC games...which would give them a 3rd conference loss (just as many as the Eagles).

What is the next tiebreaker after conference record? Maybe the Saints would lose that one or something?

Either way, i had enough of that 3-way tie bull--- in 2004, and I really am in no mood to see it again. They just need to win their last 2 games and be done with it.

yasoon · 12-18-2006, 01:56 PM

Your logic makes sense. And I remember the year we lost the tiebreaker to Minnesota and the Rams. We had beaten the Rams, but we got knocked out because of the three way tie. (We had the worst conference record of the 3.)

So....Seatlle should be the odd man out of the three assuming we all ended at10-6.They have 5 conference losses.

Then, you go back to the 2 way tie with Philly where we hold the head to head.

I have mostly been rooting for philly since their record was not a threaat and we beat them head to head.

We really just need to go 2-0 and get back on a roll. The 2 seed is ours to lose and yesterday was the first step in doing just that. Huge letdown yesterday. Huge.

SaintPauly · 12-18-2006, 02:00 PM

Are we talking about getting the bye, or getting the wildcard? I'm confused.

yasoon · 12-18-2006, 02:02 PM

The bye. (The 2 seed.)

Fortunately, we don't have to worry about the wildcard.

yasoon · 12-18-2006, 02:03 PM

One other reason the 2 seed is so big this year.....

The bears can be had. Someone beats them in that second round, we win our game, and we host the NFC championship. THAT would kick major a$$.

SaintPauly · 12-18-2006, 02:06 PM

I thought about that the other day. After I watched Tampa Bay put up 35 against that Defense yesterday, I saw MAJOR weaknesses in their secondary. If the Bears lose their first play off game, then whoever is in that second seed would be in the driver's seat.

Although, I would also like to point out that the Steelers were a wildcard team last year, and they won it all. So don't count any of the WC's out.

GoldRush26 · 12-18-2006, 02:06 PM

My only explanation would be that the first tiebreaker used in determining first round byes is not head to head?

Other than that I would chalk it up as a mistake on that particular site. Most sites I've visited say that the Saints will lock up the 1st round bye with a win and Dal loss or if we win out. I don't see any instance in which Philly ends up with the first round bye.

saintsfan1313 · 12-18-2006, 02:28 PM

ok ok ok....ill take the time and break all this down.

1. We win out, means we clinch the 1st round bye, thats the easy way, i say we just do that so i dont have to give myself a headache, anyway.....

2. Cowboys are our biggest threat right now, not Phili. We have the same record as them, but we have the head to head tiebreaker. But if they win both games, we go 1-1 then they get the #2 seed.

3. Phili is 8-6, one game behind our 9-5. the thing that helps us all is phili and dallas play next sunday, so immediatley we can rest easy about a lil jump we have on them with one game to go. Phili's conference record is 7-3, also one game behind our 8-2.

4. Seattle- Kinda scary at the 8-6 mark. San Fran helped us big time with the upset. But Seattle's conf record is crap at 6-5, so now way they can have a better conference record than us, so if it comes down to a tie breaker, we got it.

SO, for us to clinch bye and homefield this weekend, the following needs to happen....

Saints win against NY Giants, Phili beats Dallas. And Seattle can do whatever they want. Thats it.
It leaves us 10-5, Dallas 9-6, Phili 9-6. We will have a conf record of 9-2 against the Dallas conf record of 6-5 and Phili conf record of 8-3 with one game to play. We also have the head to head tiebreakers against both teams.........

Please tell me I'm right, cuz my head hurts......

12-18-2006, 01:18 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Am I missing something on this tiebreaker? Found a site talking about NFC playoff scenarios: http://simononsports.blogspot.com/20...breakdown.html Most of it made sense. However I was a bit confused about the Eagles winning a bye. Philadelphia Eagles ... How to Bye It: Win Out Combined with Saints Dual Losses or Finish in 3-way tie at 10-6 with Seahawks and Saints of course the first part makes sense. However the three way tie (Saints, Eagles, Seahawks all 10-6) did not. I've been working from the tiebreaker rules on NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers Byes are determined using the wildcard rules on division champions. The first meaningful tiebreaker is common head-to-head, which none of the three teams had. Next is conference. Now this has some legs. The Eagles are currently 7-3, the Saints 8-2. 10 wins for the Saints would mean equal 9-3 conference records (as the Eagles have to win out to win the division and to get to 9-3 in conference). Seattle is out of the mix with 5 conference losses. Now from what I understand, if a team drops off the pace, they are out of the running and the others start over from the top. So you have Saints and Eagles, go to the two way tiebreak, which of course head to head is the first tiebreaker. This site indicates that the Eagles would get the #2 seed, but I don't see it. Am I missing something? Of course the easiest way for the Saints to make it moot is to win out. That's definitely the best way. SFIAH
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12-18-2006, 01:55 PM	#3
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	The only thing I can figure is that if the Saints went 10-6, then that means they'd have to lose one of their remaining 2 NFC games...which would give them a 3rd conference loss (just as many as the Eagles). What is the next tiebreaker after conference record? Maybe the Saints would lose that one or something? Either way, i had enough of that 3-way tie bull--- in 2004, and I really am in no mood to see it again. They just need to win their last 2 games and be done with it.
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12-18-2006, 01:56 PM	#4
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Your logic makes sense. And I remember the year we lost the tiebreaker to Minnesota and the Rams. We had beaten the Rams, but we got knocked out because of the three way tie. (We had the worst conference record of the 3.) So....Seatlle should be the odd man out of the three assuming we all ended at10-6.They have 5 conference losses. Then, you go back to the 2 way tie with Philly where we hold the head to head. I have mostly been rooting for philly since their record was not a threaat and we beat them head to head. We really just need to go 2-0 and get back on a roll. The 2 seed is ours to lose and yesterday was the first step in doing just that. Huge letdown yesterday. Huge.
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12-18-2006, 02:02 PM	#6
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	The bye. (The 2 seed.) Fortunately, we don't have to worry about the wildcard.
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12-18-2006, 02:03 PM	#7
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	One other reason the 2 seed is so big this year..... The bears can be had. Someone beats them in that second round, we win our game, and we host the NFC championship. THAT would kick major a$$.
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12-18-2006, 01:44 PM	#2
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	RE: Am I missing something on this tiebreaker? Being that we beat the Eagles, that would put us ahead of them automatically right?

12-18-2006, 02:00 PM	#5
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Are we talking about getting the bye, or getting the wildcard? I'm confused.

12-18-2006, 02:06 PM	#8
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	I thought about that the other day. After I watched Tampa Bay put up 35 against that Defense yesterday, I saw MAJOR weaknesses in their secondary. If the Bears lose their first play off game, then whoever is in that second seed would be in the driver's seat. Although, I would also like to point out that the Steelers were a wildcard team last year, and they won it all. So don't count any of the WC's out.

12-18-2006, 02:06 PM	#9
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	My only explanation would be that the first tiebreaker used in determining first round byes is not head to head? Other than that I would chalk it up as a mistake on that particular site. Most sites I've visited say that the Saints will lock up the 1st round bye with a win and Dal loss or if we win out. I don't see any instance in which Philly ends up with the first round bye.
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12-18-2006, 02:28 PM	#10
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	ok ok ok....ill take the time and break all this down. 1. We win out, means we clinch the 1st round bye, thats the easy way, i say we just do that so i dont have to give myself a headache, anyway..... 2. Cowboys are our biggest threat right now, not Phili. We have the same record as them, but we have the head to head tiebreaker. But if they win both games, we go 1-1 then they get the #2 seed. 3. Phili is 8-6, one game behind our 9-5. the thing that helps us all is phili and dallas play next sunday, so immediatley we can rest easy about a lil jump we have on them with one game to go. Phili's conference record is 7-3, also one game behind our 8-2. 4. Seattle- Kinda scary at the 8-6 mark. San Fran helped us big time with the upset. But Seattle's conf record is crap at 6-5, so now way they can have a better conference record than us, so if it comes down to a tie breaker, we got it. SO, for us to clinch bye and homefield this weekend, the following needs to happen.... Saints win against NY Giants, Phili beats Dallas. And Seattle can do whatever they want. Thats it. It leaves us 10-5, Dallas 9-6, Phili 9-6. We will have a conf record of 9-2 against the Dallas conf record of 6-5 and Phili conf record of 8-3 with one game to play. We also have the head to head tiebreakers against both teams......... Please tell me I'm right, cuz my head hurts......
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