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Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN!
Don Pompei of Sporting news has an article about Saints trying to change the late season fallout. Haslett appears to be concerned about this so that is good news, but the Brooks quote in this article shows he still has no leadership and appears he never will.
Here is what Brooks has to say: What happens to Brooks late in the season? “Teams make adjustments,� he says while sitting on a bench after a passing camp practice. “They won’t continue to allow you to do the things you’ve been doing all year. This is the NFL. Overall team production dropped. We had a lot of drops, missed blocks, protection problems, the defense didn’t do as well. It all goes back on the quarterback, but I don’t feel I need to change or do anything different.� Blaming everyone and not even assuming any part of the blame himself. Brooks has all the physical tools to be a great QB but he is an "I" player. It is obvious to me Brooks will never get it and will be a fool the rest of his career. Get rid of him while he is suppose to be a hot commodity and before he becomes the next "cancer" on a young team. |
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That was Haslett that said that not Brooks. I would comment on your opinion of Brooks but unitl you get your facts straight it\'s a moot point. |
Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN!
Actually, Billy, the way that article is structured, it sounds like it is coming from Brooks. If you read the next paragraph, it states the following:
Brooks is a fine quarterback. But he is young, barely 27. \"He needs to step up and play better down the stretch,\" Haslett says. \"He has to get tougher and be more of a leader. And he\'s getting a lot better in those areas.\" Those last two sentences seem to be a direct contradiction to the final statement made in the paragraph before: It all goes back on the quarterback, but I don’t feel I need to change or do anything different.� So either it was indeed Brooks who made that statement or Haslett is suffering from multiple peronality disorder. Neither would shock me. |
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B&B,
I just read the article agiain and you\'re right. I read that article the other day and didn\'t really pay that much attention to it. Thanks for the info. |
Brooks has same poor attitude AGAIN!
Agreed - get rid of him before the rest of the NFL sees him as the selfish immature player he is and go find a Trent Dilfer to MANAGE the game and drive an offense full of hot rods!
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WhoDat,
Have you been taking Gatorman\'s medication again? |
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heh
You guys are gonna get all worked up and blow a gasket or something. Brooks isn\'t going anywhere...he\'s the starter until someone takes the job from him. Ya\'ll could/would mis-interprit Ghandi if you thought it\'d suit your opinion. Now, that\'s all I\'m gonna contribute to the Brooks debat \'til preseason. I\'m fairly certain Whodat will appreciate that! :P |
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I am fairly certain I read the article correct and Brooks is the source of the quote.
I am not a basher of Brooks for no cause. I love the guys physical skills but only wish he had better mental judgement and desire to be a great player. Personally I see Brooks as a player who is going to do just enough to keep his job ... and that is not the type of player you find on a championship caliber team. Unfortunately Brooks is the starter on this team. HAZ loves this guy and as long as the offense moves the ball and scores points Brooks will start. My worry is that Brooks finger pointing to everyone except himself will eventually spread to finger pointing by others. That same type of finger pointing is what killed the saints 2 years ago and caused a house cleaning. I hope I am wrong but I see Brooks being the cause of problems for the team in the future. |
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Billy I see you have selctive reading disorder. I figured I would name your problem so you would feel better about yourself.
If you read my last post again you will see a few key words you missed. It says \"I am not a basher of Brooks for no cause\". |
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FWtex,
I misread that. But since your such an excellent evaluater of talent, could you tell me another qb that has only started 2 years that has put up the numbers Brooks has? |
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Billy, your first reply was that since it was not Brooks comments you would not offer your opinion of my original post. Now that it has been clarified that the comments were indeed from Brooks I still have not seen your opinion of the original post. You have thrown out several replies to replies but none have been an original opinion.
What numbers of brooks are you referring to? While you are looking that up I don\'t put all my faith in a players PAST stats but rather look at an overall performance and overall approach and attitude. What good are individual stats if the team does not win? I believe this is one of Brooks biggest problems - he likes to read his own press clippings too much. Here is a question to think about. Of the Starting NFL qb\'s who would you rank below Brooks when it comes to leadership, heart and desire? |
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Yes Billy, his name is Tom Brady and he\'s already got a Super Bowl ring. Michael Vick is more explosive, so if you\'re going to have a quarterback that doesn\'t understand his role you should at least have the best athlete in the game. Chad Pennington hasn\'t even started a full year and already he\'s shown that he is a better quarterback than Brooks... (look at the numbers that matter - i.e. efficiency, completion percentage, TD/INT ratio... and oh yeah, little stats like Wins and Losses or Playoff Appearances).
Is that enough, or do you really want me to take the time to research this and show you how wrong you are? By the way, Brooks has started in roughly 38 games now... is that right? I\'m going off the top of my head. That\'s closing in on being half way through his third season. That\'s plenty of time. C\'mon Saintsfan, take the gloves off. It\'s been too long!! |
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I have some stats for you. These are for Brooks 2002 season agains all QB\'s Played.
Completion percentage - ranks 49th, Yds - ranks 9th, Yds/ game - 14th, TD\'s - 3rd, Int - 12th, Sacks - 5th, sack yards - 7th, rating - 31st. I don\'t see anything to brag about. Brooks had quite a few dropped balls and threw alot of passes which may skew the completion percentage but his receivers yards after completion also are the main reson he ranks high in yards and TD\'s. His sack rank? and people were laughing at David Carr? |
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For all the Brooks backers that like to throw his stats at you, what about the most important stat of all, Wins/Losses. I\'d rather him throw 5 TD\'s all year and those 5 helped us win the SB then him throw 60 TD\'s and not make the playoff\'s. Let\'s not forget his game management and attitude are some of the big reasons we didnt get a chance to whip TB in the playoffs. I dont necessarily put all the blame on him, it seemed like the coaches didnt really get their game plans together unless it was a team they werent overlooking. AB really needs to get his head straight and puts some wins up with those numbers and then at this time next year we will be talking about what we can do to repeat as Champs!!!
P.S. Deuce made AB alot better than he really was, without a rb we\'re in trouble, DEUCE IS DA DADDY!!! |
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TO ALL BROOKS BASHERS:
Listen up!!!!!!!!! I know you think Aaron should have taken us to the Super Bowl. I know you think he should be perfect. I know you think you know what your talking about......Ya don\'t!!!!! The same thing was said about Elway, Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Trent Dilfer(your favorite son), and just about every other QB that has ever played the game. I\'ll say this again...Rome was not built in a day. Give him some time. |
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Rome wasnt built in a day but they never destroyed it while they was building it either, Brooks makes improvements then takes his 6 step drop to make up for it. Brooks has had a couple of years, we have a team that can definitely win it all, we need to quit givin him a rebuilding year. He needs to put up or shut up this season. Thats all I\'m gonna say bout that........
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NellyFord,
Your one of the people that would have cut Terry Bradshaw and went with his backup, because I can promise you that Bradshaw was almost run out of Pittsburg his first 4 years. How many superbowl rings does he have?? |
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\"Brian Griese\" does that name ring a bell? Didn\'t the Broncos give him a huge contract? Oh yeah they cut him this year because he wasnt the team leader he should have been. kinda scary
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Billy, you have been suckered in like i knew you would be. Terry bradshaw is a fantastic example of exactly what I am talking about. Terry came into the league and he stunckk it up horribly. However Terry had leadership and desire to be a winner. He worked his butt off and earned the respect of his teammates. He was an instrumental part of turning the steelers into a winner with his heart and his desire to win.
Can you say Brooks has the same mentality and desire of bradshaw? Damn I knew this was coming! thank you! |
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FWtex,
There\'s only one hole in your argument. Do you actually think that those leadership qualities were showing themselves in Bradshaws first 3 years? You would have cut him because he wasn\'t showing those leadership skills that you keep talking about. You kill me man!!! Gatorman, I thougt I was wrong one time, but I was mistaken. [Edited on 13/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1] |
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In defense of Billy\'s arguement, Terry Bradshaw has openly admitted many times that at the start of his career he wasn\'t focused, he ostracized himself from the fans and he pissed off management. He definitely didn\'t show the qualities you speak of in the first three years.
But in defense of FWtex, he was benched many times and they didn\'t give up on his talent level. They made him realize that he\'s no marquee player until he gets his sh!t together and takes that next step from a talented player to a leader that utilizes his talent to win games. Brooks can\'t be dropped yet. Three years is a more than acceptable time to groom for his prime. He does need to know that the job is his to lose, not simply his. |
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lummOx,
Thanks for the comment on Bradshaw, as it is completly true, and so is the part about him being benched. Everyone keeps bringing up that they don\'t beleive that Brooks has the leadership qualities that a quarterback should have is rediculious at this point in Brooks carear. Young players make mistakes in the media and on the field, this is not uncommon, but given time they grow out of it and improve. Just like Bradshaw did. All the things that the Brook bashing crew are saying about him was said about a lot of the great QB\'s early on. Is Brooks the man? I don\'t know, but I know enough about football to not make comments like they are making. They are entitled to their opinion, even though they know not what they are talking about. |
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we have had this arguement over and over and i don\'t understand what is wrong with you guys
you are all mad because AB didn\'t take us to the playoffs last year right? what more do you guys want him to do? our offense scored 20+ points in every game but the last one and AB was hurt then, the reason we didn\'t go to the playoffs was our sorry ass defense, AB and the offense did all they could, hell he led the comeback victories over chicago and SF, both games we were down by 20 points if i remember correctly, in fact i remember reading an article that said haz asked AB at halftime in the chicago game when we were down by 20 if he was worried and AB smiled and said \"no, we are going to win this game\" AB does smile and seem to be nonchalant about things which bothers me but c\'mon he\'s not the one who let us down last year, it was the defense that let minnesota come back from no where, the defense that lost to cincy, our offense did all they could i can\'t think of one game that AB lost for us last year, so slam him all you want but you are blaming the wrong guy :o |
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Rusta,
You can\'t tell those guys anything. They have blinders on and can\'t see a damn thing. But I\'m glad to see that you see the samething I did. |
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Rusta, I agree with your comments about Brooks, but I feel differently about his actions post-interception.
I know how I react when I do something stupid - especially when I do something stupid in a group - I laugh at myself and say something like, \"What an idiot I am!\" When Brooks smiles after an interception, that is what I see. You know to think of it, we could be stuck with someone who has the opposite problem: a QB who cannot forget his mistakes enough to move on when the next drive begins. There are plenty of those out there. Would any of us prefer that? Also, if Brooks changed his actions and \"acted\" mad because he threw an INT, what would that change except the way you or I feel about it? It is his nature to make a mistake and chuckle to himself about it - likely in the same manner to which I referred above. The only people who might question him about why he acts that way should be his teammates and his coaches. It should be those individuals who have the responsiblity to ask why he acts the way he does so he can explain himself and they can understand each other. Lastly, what other Qb has been available during the 2002 and 2003 offseasons that any of you would rather have? (You can\'t say Delhomme until 2004 since he hasn\'t started yet) |
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While it\'s no secret that I am not particularly happy with Aaron Brooks, I don\'t doubt his talent... however, my major argument against him is that he DOES NOT FIT OUR SYSTEM.
The coaching staff will tell you we run the \"west coast\" offense... I don\'t think we\'re entirely west coast. Actually, a lot of times it is hard to tell what the hell we\'re running. IMHO, we should be running a \"west coast spread\" similar to what the Rams, Steelers, Patties, Raiders... Jets (sort of)... run. Our offense should consist of a three equal parts - Deuce, short quick hitters to all of our weapons (WRs, RB/FB, TEs), and then deeper routes down the field to our stud WRs to stretch the field. Does anyone disagree with that? I will assume you don\'t. I will assume that you agree that we should use our superior athleticism like the other teams that have this kind of talent who are successful with it (see the list above). So, if our passing game is going to consist of A - quick hitters to the \"hot read\", B - timing patterns, and C - deep seam routes... what kind of quarterback is best? A - A very physically gifted one who can make plays on his own, but who lacks leadership skills, game \"smarts\" and the ability to learn... OR B - A smart quarterback who manages the game and gets the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible and into the hands of his many weapons as quickly and safely as possible? To me, the answer is simple. Want proof? Look at how well Pittsburgh played when they replaced Cordell with Maddox... Take a look at those other teams I talked about that have offenses like ours... their QBs are Gannon, Warner, Maddox, Brady, and Pennington... oh yeah, those guys are all just like Brooks right? Further, the teams that have mobile athletic QBs that are successful (Atlanta, Philly, Tennessee...) don\'t have any other weapons! Take a look at the offenses for those three teams. Outside of the QB, I think you\'ll find one guy who has ever been to the Pro Bowl at a skill position. The bottom line is very easy to understand. It doesn\'t matter if Brooks is a hall of famer or not. He is wrong for our system, and that hurts the team. We should be building our team around Deuce, Stallworth, Bentley, and our many other weapons (Horn, Pathon, Conwell, Sloan, Beer-man and the other 75 receivers we have, our young OL)... not around Aaron Brooks. |
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WhoDat,
I\'ll give in. Brooks sucks. Brooks had nothing to do with all those points we put up last year. He\'s the biggest problem our team had. All of the games we lost last year we\'re totally his fault. He was the reason our defense stunk it up last year too, all that smiling he did distracted the defiense, they knew he didn\'t really care. Thanks for showing me the wisdom. |
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Not to mention it was Brooks fault the coaching staff, once taken out of their game plan, didn\'t have a clue 90% of the time on how to adjust. It was also Brooks fault for not making the defensive changes we so desperately needed to keep teams from coming from behind by 20 points. It was Brooks fault that the starting game plans stunk most of the time. It was Brooks fault for not BEGGING and CRYING and PLEADING with Haslett to pull him out of the starting line-up when his shoulder was hurting so bad and it effected him so much everyone in the free world could see it but the head coach. See where I\'m going with this?
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Billy - well now I might have to bust your balls a little bit...
Do me a favor, when you can\'t respond to a post, just say \"I concede\"... or even, \"you make good points but I still disagree.\" There\'s nothing wrong with believing that Brooks will be the future of this organization... that he will get his sh!t together... that he will be a hall of famer... I don\'t believe that, but if you do, stand up and say that. B/c bottom line, that last post screams - I CANNOT MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT AGAINST WHAT YOU JUST SAID... See, we\'re not talking about the problems this team had or has... we\'re talking about Brooks and how he fits into our system and our team as the Quarterback. Nothing else. So argue that or give in... |
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Cassady - see above...
Is it just me, or did I not talk anything about our defense or coaching staff, or even wins and losses in my post? I have to steal a line from Gator... Ah, you\'re changing the subject... good strategy... |
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HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
That\'s comical. OK... I\'ll try to put this in language an eight year old can understand... then you try to respond to it, OK? Aaron Brooks is an athletic quarterback with poor leadership skills, a track record that shows he doesn\'t learn a lot, and a \"loose\" style of play that makes him commit more errors than he should. A quarterback with the weapons we have should be smart, controlled... a good manager and distributor of the ball. Argue that. |
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You want to talk leadership skills? To lead you must first be able to follow. When your following, that means you are learning. Brooks is learning to be a leader. Leaders and followers make misrtakes. It\'s very easy to sit on Sundays and say he should have done this or that. It\'s called growing pains. All those weapons your talking about haven\'t been playing together long. He had a rookie wide receiver, a running back starting for his first year. I think Brooks will get better, I see you don\'t. Just because you don\'t think he will does not make you an expert on the QB position..
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I don\'t claim to be an expert... and thanks for the cliche... did you get that off a t-shirt somewhere?
You still don\'t understand my point. Brooks is likely to get better, you\'re right. But that still doesn\'t make him a guy who fits our system. His major talents lie in his physical abilities, not his smarts. I don\'t believe that you can learn to be a leader... he may be able to become a better manager, which is also important, but not a better leader... In any case, the point remains that this skills do not match up well with our system. I would take Chad Pennington right now over Michael Vick... why? B/c Pennington is smart, efficient, controlled. Sure, Vick is the most exciting guy in football right now, but how often does he make a play with his arm? No, we have plenty of weapons... find someone that will get them the ball when they need to be receiving it... |
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You keep talking about our system. This system was put in by Mike McCarthy, he seems to think that Brooks fits pretty well, don\'t you think. Are McCarthy\'s leadership skills in question too? You seem to being saying that Brooks has the physical skills but he is too stupid to know how to run a mythodical offense, you want a thinking man\'s(such as yourself) quarterback. What mistakes are you talking about that any other QB has not made?
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Whodat,
Thought you might like to see this.......... By Vic Carucci National Editor, NFL.com (June 13, 2003) -- Given the choice between improving with potentially great new players or potentially great new strategy, any rational NFL coach would say there is nothing to choose. Talent always comes first. |
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hey dat, i understand the point you are trying to make about AB not fitting our system
I DON\'T AGREE!!!!! primarily because we have no system, i put a thread up some time ago contemplating this, supposedly we run a west coast offense, i don\'t know what crackhead PR guy came up with that because we don\'t look anything like a west coast offense, i might be mistaken but i think you agree here, we can\'t run a screen or short pattern to save our lives, we look like the rams of 99-01, healthy dose of duece(they used faulk) and the rest was 15-25 yd passes now i\'m assuming you agree with me on our system, so how can you say AB doesn\'t fit? he might not be the smartest yet but he doesn\'t need to be because we don\'t play that way again i reiterate this: we scored 20+ points a game last year, there is nothing wrong with AB, our defense sucks |
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Year 2002 Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating Brett Favre GB 3658 551 341 27 16 85 85.6 Aaron Brooks NO 3572 528 283 27 15 64 80.1 Rusta, Should we get rid of Farve too? Hell, he can\'t manage a game either. [Edited on 14/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1] |
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Ok, Whodat, I\'ll bite. Just what was the subject I was changing to avoid? The simple fact is that everyone wants to over-complicate what is wrong with this team. I firmly believe that although Aaron Brooks is not the well-seasoned, mature leader that everyone wants, the problem lies in how this team is prepared. Game film studies, evaluations, 1,2 & 3 gameplans so if one collapses another takes it\'s place, being able to adjust on the fly on defense or offense. So far in the years of Haslett I see none of that consistently. We have individually good coaches on this staff but I do not believe thay are being brought together to utilize their specialties. They are not a cohesive unit and if they can\'t get it together how is the team supposed to get it together? This Saints team has gone on individual talent for the last two years and if we ever expect to fully improve to a consistant play-off contender it\'s not the TALENT that needs to change. It\'s the coaches that utilize that talent. Are you going to tell me if another coach, and let\'s just say for the sake of argument, a Bill Belichek or a Herman Moore, were to take this team the last couple of years we would be as inconsistent as we have been, finally melting completely down with the late season collapses?
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