IS MIKE VICK A COACH KILLER????????????
 

Dan Reeves brought the falcons to the Superbowl, Jim Mora Jr. brought them to the NFC Championship. I personally don't think so, but there's going to be a lot of talk about him being hard to fit in any one particular system. I don't understand what the problem is, he's obviously a tremendous talent, but seems like everytime his team take that next step, they take three steps back. I always thought Reeves was a great coach, and Mora was a real good young coach, so what the hell is the problem? They need to start looking at the front office, and the type of personal that they bring in. You think Jim Mora Sr. changes his thoughts about Vick now? I don't think so.

RE: IS MIKE VICK A COACH KILLER????????????
 

The problem is the exact same problem the Saints had before: Vick can't do no wrong. He's the anointed superstar who's going to revolutionize (6 yrs and counting now, didn't take Fidel that long) the QB position. Nothing is his fault. Add to that, the owner of the team is in love with him, and you have a bad situation for any coach. He's hard to fit in any particular system that requires a QB.

RE: IS MIKE VICK A COACH KILLER????????????
 

That job will probably be less attractive than the Cardinals job. Any HC worth his salt knows that's a no-win situation because he'll never be allowed to criticize Vick, coach him into a different style, or experiment because Blank is in love with him.

RE: IS MIKE VICK A COACH KILLER????????????
 

maybe the qb just isn't good enough.

RE: IS MIKE VICK A COACH KILLER????????????
 

It's funny how some people think he is a "Coach Killer", yet they boo the person who first said it(Jim Mora Sr.), when he came to the dome a few years ago.

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The biggest problem with Vick is now he will have to learn a new system, which is something he had to do almost every year. What ATL has to do is to hire a coach and let him do his job. I want pass judgement on Vick until that happens

RE: IS MIKE VICK A COACH KILLER????????????
 

No Vick isn't a coach killer.

The only reason Jim Mora lost his job is because he ran his yap all over a Seattle radio station about wanting the UW football gig. Bad career move.

How about Aaron Brooks?? Art Shell will be gone as well.

I never realized how bad our quarterback was until I got to watch Brees on a consistent basis. He's too small, doesn't have the BIG arm, but he has a brain, and can make decisions much faster than other QB's. He knows the game and where his receivers are going to be. The line looks good because he gets rid of the ball.

In Vick's defense, his receivers dropped numerous catchable balls this year, but he doesn't look like he understands whats going on. Neither did Brooks.

Mora said it in an interview after he was fired, Personnel decisions were part of his demise--2 first round receiver picks that can't catch--an important talent for a wide receiver. We get a 7th rounder that has glue in his palms, and others that were after thoughts in the draft or were cast offs from other teams and they can catch. Luck?? Coaching?? Good personnel decisions??

Yes.....Vick is absolutely a coach killer. Everyone, including Falcons fans, knows Schaub is the better QB. That's why 6 different teams wanted Schaub in the offseason last year. Unfortunately, like Tobias said......Vick is the annointed superstar with lots of pull with the owner (probably the jersey sells, etc....). Vick may bring the fans, but who's going to bring the wins to the Falcons? Personally, I don't care. I hate the Falcons. Let them keep playing Smiley's cousin.

Just one tihng though, Jim Mora Sr. didn't actually say "Vick is a coach killer", he only answered the question the interviewer asked him, "Do You think Vick is a coach killer"?
And for what its worth, I agree with one of the posters above, Vicks not all that smart.

man we can still turn a thread into a thread about Brooks.

Brooks and Vick have similarities. They have both killed their coaches. They both have athleticism that people mistake for superior QB skills. They both openly critisize their team instead of show quiet, focused leadership. They both have this thing called potential that is always prefaced with "if" and "but" and never quite realized. They both have phenomenal moments and sometimes complete games but can't quite parlay that into consistency. They both will end their careers with the label "mediocre".

When your QB leads the team in rushing and sets the all time QB rushing record.....you don't have a QB. You have a running back. Too much hype on him.

Yes. He's about to be on his third coach. Say what you want about Mora's comments getting him fired, but you'd be missing that he took over Reeves' team and went 11-5. Since that year, he has taken his team to 8-8 and 7-9 with long losing streaks. Factor in a relatively new owner and those two seasons are enough to get fired. Make comments like he did and you get fired as soon as the season is over.

Vick getting injured costs Reeves his job. Vick not being able to lead a team cost Mora. Saints fans should know as well as anyone the difference between a leader at QB and someone with lots of potential or talent at QB who can't lead.

Mike Vick is a coach killer for the very reason Mora described in his "joke." When you're the coach of a college team, you have complete personnel control. I'm sure he kept looking at his backfield thinking that water-boarding would be an attractive alternative.

I'm just surprised that Mora didn't go for broke and simply bench Vick over the last 3 games just to show that the team would be better off without him. He sure had nothing to lose once the radio program statements aired.

I am a big fan of mobile quarterbacks...but you have to be able to read defenses and throw the ball well. I think Vince Young will do well in the NFL. I think McNabb is one of the top 5 QB's in the league. I think Steve Young and John Elway are two of the best to play the game. They could all run the ball, but they always look to throw first. Vick is a run first guy and while the stats look nice, its just a matter of time before that gets figured out and sooner or later, you have to be able to throw the ball. In 6 years, his career high in TD passes is 20? He ran for 1,000 yards, but the Falcons were 0-7 in games when he led the team in rushing. He is a remarkable athlete, but a below average QB. Their owner has a man crush on him so Vick isnt going anywhere. Shaub will be on the way out and the Falcons will regret it down the road.

By the way, I think that the term "coach killer" should extend beyond Vick's immediate gene pool. Art Shell got "Vicked", or "Brooksed".

Michael Vick = Kordell Stewart... Come on, I can't be the only one to see the similarities here. Stewart was "almost" the death of Cowher, because the owner loved the QB/RB, that Kordell supposedly brought to the table. I honestly believe, that in his prime, Stewart WAS Michael Vick. Where is he now though? No, I'm serious, where is he now???? Probably managing a Dairy Queen somewhere.

SaintPaul you are correct. Kordell, if most of you can remember was the QB who all the sportscasters talked about. He was the "mold" for all QB's to be cast from.

Very good point to bring up, dude.

"Slash", I believe he was dubbed. He took the Steelers to the AFC Championship game in his first year as a starter, and didn't really do too much after that. Speculation came about every year, that Cowher would be fired, until he got rid of him.

Vick is a great athlete, not a great QB. I think he should have been converted to a WR.

I for one don't like where this thought process is going. Vick is not a great QB, but give me a break, you mean to tell me that Vick is not a better QB than some of the QB's in the league right now. I mean, you don't think Minnesota, Oakland, Detroit, Cleveland, and a few other teams at lest wouldn't mind Vick as their QB. As far as Kordell goes, when the Steelers played a certain style of football they was successful, when they started listening to suggestions and criticism from the media, and change their style they started losing. Like Vick, Kordell had to go through several offensive coaching styles and techniqes. Vick can be compared to a lot of QB's other than Stewart, and Brooks. Vick didn't have that bad of a year, 10th in td's with 20, 13 int's, 20th in passer rating with 75.7, belive it or not, he did better than a few QB's experts thought where tops in the league, for instance, Rothlisberger, Brunell, Warner, and a bunch of other's, Steve Young was trash in the early part of his career. So, i won't say he's not a QB just yet, just not a great one. I think the Falcons front office is as much to blame as Vick for Atlanta's problems.

I think that was a weak arguement blacksaint. I dont think he is the worst QB in the league, but there is no way you can tell me that he is earning his paycheck. He is the 2nd highest paid QB in the league. With that comes expectations, and being ranked 20th in passer rating isnt going to cut it. Of course he is better than Charlie Frye, Brad Johnson, Cleo Lemon, Andrew Walter, Bruce Gradkowski and maybe a handful of other guys, but they arent expected to be great and they arent being paid to be great. Not only are Vick's passing numbers below average, his team isnt winning. I would take probably 15 other QB's before Vick and he is supposed to be better than that. Plain and simple, unless something changes, he is going to win between 7 and 9 games a year and fail to live up to his contract or his expectations.

Steve Young was a pocket passer first, and a runner second. Vick is the other way around. He was the same way at VT, and he hasn't changed one bit. He is fast, and he is athletic, and you are right, he is in the top 25 qb's in the league right now. The bottom end of that 25. Let's face it, there aren't alot of "great" QBs in the league either.

He is overpaid, overhyped, and overdue, for some extreme criticism. He has had his butt kissed since he became a pro, and with the exception of one trip to the NFC championship, hasn't shown much else. McNabb is a ten times better QB than Vick, and has the stats, as well as the wins, to prove it, but still Vick gets all of the attention.

Michael Vick is the second coming of Kordell Stewart. I said it when he came into the league, and I haven't changed my mind about it. He will be a Falcon, for about two more years, and then, just like Culpepper, who is also a bust, he will be traded, and eventually, forgotten. IMO.

AMEN!

You forgot one other coach killer in Randy (run over da cops to hide da dope) Moss. When you add Vick, Fumbles, and Moss up and shake the bag, all you get coming out is a small amount of Reggie Bush's pubic hair. All three of these dweebs represent almost everything about what is seriously wrong with the NFL. Guys like Baby Mora, Mike Tice, and Art Shell were decent, class guys until faced with these stooges. I forgot one other, but he (it) is a class of his (its) own: Terrell Owens.

The day that we got rid of Fumbles (stats and all) was a day that the Saint's organization began to ascend.

Look you guys are missing the point. I just said I'm not ready to say that he's not a QB, you have to be some type of QB to throw for 20 tds in this league. As for being over paid, i thought that the minute they gave him that contract "ridiculous". And as fas as being over hyped, of course he is, but that can go for a hell of a lot of players in this league. And please, you must have forgotten about Steve Young earlier years, he would run out of the pocket before he even set his feet. Young didn't start being a great QB until he ***** and whined his way into the starting lineup and pave the way for the great Joe Montana to leave and go to K.C. And he still wasn't great until another great Jerry Rice pulled him to the side and told him to stay in pocket and throw the DAM ball to the receivers. Last time i checked Vick, Steward, and everybody else that was mentioned didn't have the weapons that Young had, and he still had to be told by the players to stay in the pocket and go through his progressions.