not a 3rd, but would you give a 4th for carr?
 

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I don't see a problem with it. He has never had a fair shake at Houston. Horrible line, horrible team. He's running for his life everytime he hikes the ball. I think it's a sound trade for a No. 2 QB. Lord knows we need one, Jamie Martin sucks.

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Martin SUCKS????????????????????
The only time I saw him play he was with the second team for the most part vs the panthers. Hmm Pathers D sucks too? They did play thier starters for the game didn't they? What I saw was the second string Offense that needs to be upgraded. OL stood out as the area of more need than other. The second string D looked to be not as much of a drop off but then again the first string has alot of areas of need.
As for Carr he will be a starter some where in the NFL. I hope he gets an OL that is established for the first time. Poor guy can take a beating you have to admit. For the saints? I do not think so. there are other options for a backup at a lesser salary that can fill in a pinch

RE: not a 3rd, but would you give a 4th for carr?
 

Draft a young qb late, and either keep martin or sign another cheap but experienced backup

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I don't think we need another backup QB. Martin isn't stellar, but he is what he is: a backup QB. That being said, I've always been a fan of Carr. I think he is a good QB, not elite level, but good nonetheless. Like everybody knows, he plays behind quite possibly the worst offensive line in NFL history. Also, don't underestimate how much it hurts him that Houston has never had a great running attack to take some pressure off of him. I like Carr, but it doesn't make sense to use a pick for him when we have the position covered, and other holes to fill.

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I had high hopes for Martin as a backup, and after the Panthers game I was scared every time Brees was hit, because without Brees we have no shot, maybe with Carr it would be different. 3rd round I agree is too much though.

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and with that said, i am hoping for a similar pair as that of the eagles...
young or old makes no difference as long as they can carry the load.....
while carr is shellshocked, who would'nt be in his shoes?
give that guy sometime and he'll bring you down the field everytime.
while i'm just wishing, all of you pretty much knew if brees went down we were through for the season...yeah, martin may have lead us to the playoffs but we'll never know and i don't wanna.............smitty

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Carr is not a bad QB, its just that the people in HOUSTON are stupid. The draft last year should have proved that. If Carr was on a Tampa team this year, or even say the Cowboys he might even be a pro bowler.

They have never addressed the OL, and Carr just takes hit after all season long. Young should be thanking his lucky star the Texans didnt draft him, Bush should be doing the same thing as well.

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I watched Martin play a few times, when Bulger got hurt in St. Louis. He does not play well under pressure. He has a good arm, but makes very poor throwing decisions when he's under a pass rush. He was eventually replaced with that kid from Harvard. That should tell you something.
And if I remember correctly, we lost that game against the Panthers.

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Carr would be a great #2, but I doubt that he'd want to play second fiddle to Brees. I think he's a high-character guy and I haven't heard him complain even though things have been far from ideal in Houston. A 4th or lower for him would be great.

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Miller is nothing more than a back up but he did fill in nicely for the Rams when their starter went down when he played there. He should get some playing time when the Saints get big leads so I don't see the Saints going after Carr, we have other needs, they can use the last pick for a QB for Payton to groom or a free agent

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I'm sure you meant Martin, not Miller, but I seem to remember him getting his clock cleaned on a regular basis, until he was replaced by the Harvard guy. Martin = Bouman. No one is going to convince me otherwise.

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Passing
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate
1993 L.A. Rams 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---
1994 L.A. Rams 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---
1995 St. Louis Rams 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---
1996 St. Louis Rams 6 0 34 23 67.6 241 7.09 22 3 2 4/34 2 0 92.9
1997 Washington Redskins 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---
1998 Jacksonville Jaguars 4 1 45 27 60.0 355 7.89 67 2 0 2/10 6 1 99.8
1999 Cleveland Browns 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---
2000 Jacksonville Jaguars 5 0 33 22 66.7 307 9.30 65 2 1 0/0 3 2 104.0
2001 St. Louis Rams 5 0 3 3 100.0 22 7.33 10 0 0 2/7 0 0 97.2
2002 St. Louis Rams 5 2 195 124 63.6 1216 6.24 33 7 10 10/77 15 0 71.7
2003 New York Jets 0 0 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 ---
2004 St. Louis Rams 1 0 30 16 53.3 188 6.27 26 0 0 2/6 3 0 72.6
2005 St. Louis Rams 8 5 177 124 70.1 1277 7.21 83 5 7 11/78 12 3 83.5
2006 New Orleans Saints 16 0 24 16 66.7 208 8.67 65 1 1 5/18 4 2 90.3
TOTAL 50 8 541 355 65.6 3814 7.05 83 20 21 36/230 45 8 82.3

Found Martin's stats...He's a hit and miss guy. Had a couple of good seasons. Kind of reminds me of Tolliver, or Bouman.

First off I am a huge Carr fan. It's easy to get down on the guy but I watch a lot of texans games and the guy is a competitor with a great attitude. He would be a nice fit for us as a backup.

I'm not 100% certain but do we not get a 3rd rounder from the Eagles when they sign Donte? Look at it like this, Stallworth for Simoneau and Carr, taken into account that we trade that 3rd rounder and get Carr.That seems pretty good to me.

Now as for Carr not wanting to be a backup? Do U think he'll smell the playoffs anytime soon with Houst? That can serve for some motivation to a player.

I look at Joey Harringtons situation in Det. Carr is in a similar situation playing for a bad team yet he himself has tons of potential, plus I think he is better then Harrington.. I think like Harrington he has been given the reigns of a team for a fair amount of time but is yet to produce the results the team excpects of him. It is time to prove he can handle it in this league as a backup before another team might be willing to hand him the reigns once again.

The Saints received a fourth round choice with it being a conditional third round choice if Stallworth negotiates and signs a contract with the Eagles prior to free agency.

Carr has never had the OLine that he needs to be a good QB. I truely believe the guy IS a starter but we don't need him. Martin will be fine with our OLine IF something were to happen to Drew. Will he put up the same numbers as Drew??? Of course not, but he will be fine. Defense should be top priority, followed by a great TE.

I would have no issue if the Saints decided to go after Carr. I have nothing bad to say about Martin, but I think Carr would be an upgrade. The Saints were very lucky in that Brees was injury free the entire year. Nothing against Martin, but if Brees would have gotten injured for a stretch, then the season would have probably been lost. With a backup like Carr, it should be less of an issue if Brees goes down. If Carr can be had for a 3rd or 4th round pick, the Saints should do it either way.

I've seen Carr make plays out of thin air since he landed (unluckily) with the Texans. Houston is an idiot for getting rid of Carr and not working on the offensive line. If he does (I hope) land in New Orleans, consider it another gift from the Texans. He's a great quarterback, just needs a team. Perfect example is Frank Gore with the 49ers. He IS the offense. He's got a decent OLine, but let's be honest, he's been a great running back playing for a mediocre team - same with Carr.

Carr gets my guranteed stamp of approval.

The Carr trade sounds good, really good. Its much better than Martin, I either drop Martin and sign Anthony Wright or drop Martin and get Anthony Wright

Carr for a 4th rounder? Hell yeah!!! **** I'd take him for a 3rd...


It's not like we currently have Jake Delhomme as a backup...

we've got at least two third round picks given now, do i hear a 2nd?
i mean really, would all of you agree we would virtually be in a lock to continue to the playoffs with the duo of brees and carr?
hell, with the cap increased, it would not surprise me in the least that some team give up a first for him..........i think he's worth it.....hell, if brooks gets millions for being, well, brooks, carr is gold then.........i'm just dreaming in the off season hating that the saints fell to da bears........gawd..........

eh i dont think so... he has a super huge contract and it would have to be restructured for me to even consider taking him... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much money for a backup

Come on guys, pick up an average veteran free agent and draft a QB in the 7th. We need someone good enough to step in when needed, not someone that we think could take over after Brees is done, not at least for the next few years.

Waz up Pakman!

chillen, chillen... where u been at?

Cher!!! What's up brotha man??? Where you been? We missed you around here!

I've been in a work coma for about a year now. I moved to Georgia for that better job and haven't been on the net much at all. I sat down the other day and thought about how much I really did miss you guys, so here I am again.

I decided I wasn't going to sacrifice my life for my work anymore and you know it's a pretty good feeling.

Atta boy. Glad to have you back.

Did I miss some part where Brees has ever been injury prone, or where his shoulder came undone? Only Atlanta tries to do the 2 QBs at once thing and look where that got them. Getting Carr will not significantly upgrade the team. Save the pick for a TE or some other position we need filled.

How "injury prone" does one have to be to take a viscious shot and be sidelined for several weeks, if not the entire season? A broken leg is a broken leg, regardless of how many other injuries has occured in a player's history.

Unless you are one of those people who thinks every Saints draft is giong to go like last year's, and that the 7th rounds will always a produce a Marques Colston-type of player, then you should be in favor of the Saints trying to upgrade their backup QB position.

One good hit is all it takes, and a season is over.

Sign Tim Rattay and keep our draft picks.

Bobby Herbert still looks healthy, lets bring him back!!!!!

Sure, one unlucky hit could sideline anyone, but apart from the shoulder injury in 05, Brees has been surprisingly injury free. Just look at guys like Peyton Manning or Brett Favre, their backups come and go all the time.

I'm not saying we can't use a good backup QB, but to hear people talk about trading a midround pick for Carr is a bit absurd. Grab someone late, or a FA, and develop him. That Tony Romo guy seemed to work out ok and he went undrafted. Guys like Tyler Palko, Chris Leak, Jordan Palmer, or Jared Zabransky will all be available in the mid to late rounds. There will also be more than a few free agents that could be worth a look. No need to burn a draft pick on a guy who has never really shown anything special besides crazy toughness and a big contract.

Since the coaches were able to find immediate starters in the second, fourth and seventh rounds (Roman Harper, Jahri Evans, and Marques Colston) as well as solid depth and contributers in the fifth and seventh (Rob Ninkovich and Zach Strief) I would much rather them hold onto those picks and use them to address immediate needs, like linebacker and corner. No, I don't see another 7th round wunderkind like Colston emerging, but with that many picks and a scouting staff that seems to be pretty good at what it does, I'm sure they can find at least 2 or 3 good contributers.