Why did this happen?

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-23-2003, 10:40 AM

Six of seven defeats last year were by a touchdown or less and were lost in the fourth quarter.

I think I have an idea of why this happend, although not totally.

Can someone give me their opinion and tell me if they see some of the same problems this year?????

tweeky · 06-23-2003, 11:00 AM

2 reasons

1st-Defensive meltdown. stamina, attitude and scheme. But we addressed them all.
Stamina- We hire one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the league
Attitude- After 3 seasons of cleaning house, the attitude problems should be gone
Scheme- We were SLOW, people figured out our schemes to hide it, now we are fast, and can be competitive even in the basic schemes we couldn\'t run last year.

2nd-Offensive meltdown. During the last 1/4 of the season our offense had way too many back-to-back 3-&-outs. Our defense fatiqued, and when you are already slow it simply compounded the problem. When your DT are 40-80 lbs overweight and can\'t get any rest on the sidelines, teams will start running all over them.
There are several reasons for the Offensive meltdown.
1-A banged up Deuce with a major dropoff in back-up talent
2-Brooks\' shoulder and inexperience (youth)
3-Dropped balls by TE\'s and WR\'s
4-McCarthy\'s schemes were exposed, he needs to grow more as an OC. Granted his butterfinger TE\'s, inconsistent QB, and hands-of-stone fullback didn\'t add to his options.

All 4 of these EXCUSES are now unacceptable for 2003. The only problem I see now is the pressure to perform because there are now no excuses. The honeymoon is officially over and its time to play all 16 or get the resume\'s updated.

Halo · 06-23-2003, 11:08 AM

I think it has to do with coaching and a lack of ability to motivate the team down the stretch. Because great coaches make teams play great all the time. I never saw the 49ers play down to their competition in all the years Bill Walsh was coach.

So Pak, Gator, Billy(s), Joe, Saintfan, Tweeky, lummox, etc... it\'s time to start the Haslet debates!

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-23-2003, 11:11 AM

So Pak, Gator, Billy(s), Joe, Saintfan, Tweeky, lummox, etc... it\'s time to start the Haslet debates!

Halo,

Have you not read my completely unbiased report on Jimmy Haz??

But I agree that was part of the problem.

[Edited on 23/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

tweeky · 06-23-2003, 11:43 AM

Because great coaches make teams play great all the time. I never saw the 49ers play down to their competition in all the years Bill Walsh was coach.
So Pak, Gator, Billy(s), Joe, Saintfan, Tweeky, lummox, etc... it\'s time to start the Haslet debates!

Unfair comparison. Walsh was one of the greatest coaches of all time. Imagine what he could do with this team. He\'s a notch below Lombardi, and it truly pains me to give the 9\'ers credit for anything.

Haslet is a GOOD coach, potential to grow into a great coach, but also has enough question marks to possibly flame out. I think we can all agree this is a make or break year for the following coaches/players
1. Haslet
2. Venturi
3. McCarthy
4. Brooks
5. Pathon
6. Sloan/Boo
7. Hodge
8. Grady Jackson
9. Victor Riley
10.Curtis Keaton.

Failure to improve will result in employment elsewhere, and I think they all know it

billybignuts · 06-23-2003, 12:21 PM

I think everyone would agree that Jim Mora was a good coach wouldn\'t they? He had one huge problem though \"Carl Smith\". Hopefullly Jim Haslett\'s huge problem wont be \"Rick Venturi\".

JOESAM2002 · 06-23-2003, 04:52 PM

Mora and Smith, Haz and Venturi? Is there any truth to the rumor of same sex marriages? LOL. I hope these guys get their _______ together this year.

ejc0921 · 06-24-2003, 09:43 AM

There are a lot of reasons for the melt down last year. Haslett not taking Brooks out when he was hurt, lack of leadership on both sides of the ball, and bad coaching at times. If I was the QB and wanted to show my leadership, I would not be smiling when I threw a bad pass or an interception like Brooks did plenty of times. Turley did not help in the attitidue department, in fact he was a major distraction for everyone. Carter being suspended for half the season, plus there are other issues that came about last year. Hoepfully all the distractions they had last year will not surface this year.

WhoDat · 06-24-2003, 11:06 AM

Any time you see a stat like 6 of 7 defeats were in the fourth quarter by a TD or less that means one of two things to me....

A. Conditioning.... we were fat and slow and when teams went to the hurry up we collapsed.

B. Coaching - if you can\'t come up with a big stop when it matter using properly timed blitzes or coverages you should be doing something else.

saintfan · 06-24-2003, 12:35 PM

I read all the way to the end of the thread lookin for WhoDat\'s post. I incorrectly assumed he\'d pin it all on Brooks. hehe...c\'mon now WhoDat. Ya know I\'m only pullin\' your string!

I think all the posts here are accurate to a degree. Bottom line is, as it was posted earlier, there won\'t be any excuses for anyone this year, and yeah, WhoDat, that includes Brooks too.

06-23-2003, 10:40 AM	#1
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Why did this happen? Six of seven defeats last year were by a touchdown or less and were lost in the fourth quarter. I think I have an idea of why this happend, although not totally. Can someone give me their opinion and tell me if they see some of the same problems this year?????
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06-23-2003, 11:00 AM	#2
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Why did this happen? 2 reasons 1st-Defensive meltdown. stamina, attitude and scheme. But we addressed them all. Stamina- We hire one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the league Attitude- After 3 seasons of cleaning house, the attitude problems should be gone Scheme- We were SLOW, people figured out our schemes to hide it, now we are fast, and can be competitive even in the basic schemes we couldn\'t run last year. 2nd-Offensive meltdown. During the last 1/4 of the season our offense had way too many back-to-back 3-&-outs. Our defense fatiqued, and when you are already slow it simply compounded the problem. When your DT are 40-80 lbs overweight and can\'t get any rest on the sidelines, teams will start running all over them. There are several reasons for the Offensive meltdown. 1-A banged up Deuce with a major dropoff in back-up talent 2-Brooks\' shoulder and inexperience (youth) 3-Dropped balls by TE\'s and WR\'s 4-McCarthy\'s schemes were exposed, he needs to grow more as an OC. Granted his butterfinger TE\'s, inconsistent QB, and hands-of-stone fullback didn\'t add to his options. All 4 of these EXCUSES are now unacceptable for 2003. The only problem I see now is the pressure to perform because there are now no excuses. The honeymoon is officially over and its time to play all 16 or get the resume\'s updated.
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06-23-2003, 11:08 AM	#3
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,565 Blog Entries: 45	Why did this happen? I think it has to do with coaching and a lack of ability to motivate the team down the stretch. Because great coaches make teams play great all the time. I never saw the 49ers play down to their competition in all the years Bill Walsh was coach. So Pak, Gator, Billy(s), Joe, Saintfan, Tweeky, lummox, etc... it\'s time to start the Haslet debates!

06-23-2003, 11:11 AM	#4
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Why did this happen? So Pak, Gator, Billy(s), Joe, Saintfan, Tweeky, lummox, etc... it\'s time to start the Haslet debates! Halo, Have you not read my completely unbiased report on Jimmy Haz?? But I agree that was part of the problem. [Edited on 23/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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06-23-2003, 11:43 AM	#5
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	Why did this happen? Because great coaches make teams play great all the time. I never saw the 49ers play down to their competition in all the years Bill Walsh was coach. So Pak, Gator, Billy(s), Joe, Saintfan, Tweeky, lummox, etc... it\'s time to start the Haslet debates! Unfair comparison. Walsh was one of the greatest coaches of all time. Imagine what he could do with this team. He\'s a notch below Lombardi, and it truly pains me to give the 9\'ers credit for anything. Haslet is a GOOD coach, potential to grow into a great coach, but also has enough question marks to possibly flame out. I think we can all agree this is a make or break year for the following coaches/players 1. Haslet 2. Venturi 3. McCarthy 4. Brooks 5. Pathon 6. Sloan/Boo 7. Hodge 8. Grady Jackson 9. Victor Riley 10.Curtis Keaton. Failure to improve will result in employment elsewhere, and I think they all know it
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ejc0921 Rookie Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 26	Why did this happen? There are a lot of reasons for the melt down last year. Haslett not taking Brooks out when he was hurt, lack of leadership on both sides of the ball, and bad coaching at times. If I was the QB and wanted to show my leadership, I would not be smiling when I threw a bad pass or an interception like Brooks did plenty of times. Turley did not help in the attitidue department, in fact he was a major distraction for everyone. Carter being suspended for half the season, plus there are other issues that came about last year. Hoepfully all the distractions they had last year will not surface this year.
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why did this happen? Any time you see a stat like 6 of 7 defeats were in the fourth quarter by a TD or less that means one of two things to me.... A. Conditioning.... we were fat and slow and when teams went to the hurry up we collapsed. B. Coaching - if you can\'t come up with a big stop when it matter using properly timed blitzes or coverages you should be doing something else.
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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why did this happen? I read all the way to the end of the thread lookin for WhoDat\'s post. I incorrectly assumed he\'d pin it all on Brooks. hehe...c\'mon now WhoDat. Ya know I\'m only pullin\' your string! I think all the posts here are accurate to a degree. Bottom line is, as it was posted earlier, there won\'t be any excuses for anyone this year, and yeah, WhoDat, that includes Brooks too.