Michael Lewis @ reciever.

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-28-2003, 01:32 PM

A corner needs to have speed because the receiver KNOWS where he is going and the corner does not. Also the corner is at a huge disadvantage by moving backward at the beginning of a playand must adjust and recover quickly. Receivers need not have blazing speed. In fact of all the top tier WRs in the game, Horn is probably the fastest. And for those talking about Beerman blowing by DBs in 4 wide sets? That does not happen often for anyone. In those sets you must get rid of the ball quickly and hope a WR can make something happen after the catch. In 4 wide formations you don\'t have enough protection to allow a WR to run a deep post or similar pattern.

Corners need to have speed and receivers don\'t. If that\'s the case then we don\'t need recievers, we need all tight ends that can use their size to make catches.

Joe Horn the fastest of all the top receivers. Have you ever heard of Randy Moss, or any of the Rams receivers. I could go on and on, but I won\'t.

As far as a receiver making something happen after the catch. Nothing is going to happen after the catch if the reciever doesn\'t have speed, because they will be caught and tackled. Speed, Speed, and more Speeed.

[Edited on 28/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

billyh1026 · 06-28-2003, 03:03 PM

I think we should use the beerman as a haul-ass and we\'ll throw it your way guy every now and then myself. A third WR?? Ummmmm I\'m thinking I like Pathon better.

subguy · 06-28-2003, 04:36 PM

Lewis is one of our key special teams guys. Fine to use him as an occasional 4 WR, but we are fine at receiver. That is probably one of our least worry areas.

WhoDat · 06-28-2003, 11:02 PM

Randy Moss.... he did make the Pro Bowl this year.... behind Horn and Owens... are either of them faster than he is? How about Marty Booker? He made it... Jerry Rice...

Great idea Billy... Lewis as the #3... I\'ll tell you what. $100 bet, 10-1 odds that Lewis is not a number three receiver at any point this season UNLESS there is injury... and even then I doubt it...

Aren\'t you the guy that loves Aaron Brooks? Man you\'re only making me feel more confident on my opinion about AB... I mean if these are your other ideas... whew.

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-28-2003, 11:59 PM

Actually I put this post on here because it\'s one of the few things that hasn\'t been discussed on here. No, I don\'t think he\'s going to be our #3 receiver, but I think everyone should be given an opportunity.

And if my opinions make you feel better about yours, then that means you aren\'t confident with them in the first place.

[Edited on 29/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

iceshack149 · 06-29-2003, 02:00 PM

Looks like we all agree on Pathon at #3. He is a really good #2 playing at #3 and we are fortunate to have him.

I agree with Lord of Entropy that fatigue and size are a major factor. His hands are too small. It would be like Pathon trying to handle a watermellon without fumbling it. He\'s too valuable for our special teams to even consider as a #3.

I also like tweeky\'s idea of \"gadget play guy\". Sorta like Deon. Have the defenses wondering what this guy is going to do.
Imagine what defenses would think if Lewis went in motion before the play. If it were a cartoon you\'d see a bunch of question marks over the secondaries heads.

billyh1026 · 06-29-2003, 09:15 PM

I think either way you look at it...from top to bottom...the only team that has a comparable WR corps is the Steelers. With the speed we\'ve got in our WR\'s and the ability to use that to clear out space, there is zero reasons why a TE shouldn\'t be all world by default. The middle should be his to own.

06-28-2003, 01:32 PM	#31
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Michael Lewis @ reciever. A corner needs to have speed because the receiver KNOWS where he is going and the corner does not. Also the corner is at a huge disadvantage by moving backward at the beginning of a playand must adjust and recover quickly. Receivers need not have blazing speed. In fact of all the top tier WRs in the game, Horn is probably the fastest. And for those talking about Beerman blowing by DBs in 4 wide sets? That does not happen often for anyone. In those sets you must get rid of the ball quickly and hope a WR can make something happen after the catch. In 4 wide formations you don\'t have enough protection to allow a WR to run a deep post or similar pattern. Corners need to have speed and receivers don\'t. If that\'s the case then we don\'t need recievers, we need all tight ends that can use their size to make catches. Joe Horn the fastest of all the top receivers. Have you ever heard of Randy Moss, or any of the Rams receivers. I could go on and on, but I won\'t. As far as a receiver making something happen after the catch. Nothing is going to happen after the catch if the reciever doesn\'t have speed, because they will be caught and tackled. Speed, Speed, and more Speeed. [Edited on 28/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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06-28-2003, 03:03 PM	#32
billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	Michael Lewis @ reciever. I think we should use the beerman as a haul-ass and we\'ll throw it your way guy every now and then myself. A third WR?? Ummmmm I\'m thinking I like Pathon better.
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06-28-2003, 04:36 PM	#33
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Michael Lewis @ reciever. Lewis is one of our key special teams guys. Fine to use him as an occasional 4 WR, but we are fine at receiver. That is probably one of our least worry areas.

06-28-2003, 11:02 PM	#34
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Michael Lewis @ reciever. Randy Moss.... he did make the Pro Bowl this year.... behind Horn and Owens... are either of them faster than he is? How about Marty Booker? He made it... Jerry Rice... Great idea Billy... Lewis as the #3... I\'ll tell you what. $100 bet, 10-1 odds that Lewis is not a number three receiver at any point this season UNLESS there is injury... and even then I doubt it... Aren\'t you the guy that loves Aaron Brooks? Man you\'re only making me feel more confident on my opinion about AB... I mean if these are your other ideas... whew.
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06-28-2003, 11:59 PM	#35
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Michael Lewis @ reciever. Actually I put this post on here because it\'s one of the few things that hasn\'t been discussed on here. No, I don\'t think he\'s going to be our #3 receiver, but I think everyone should be given an opportunity. And if my opinions make you feel better about yours, then that means you aren\'t confident with them in the first place. [Edited on 29/6/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	Michael Lewis @ reciever. I think either way you look at it...from top to bottom...the only team that has a comparable WR corps is the Steelers. With the speed we\'ve got in our WR\'s and the ability to use that to clear out space, there is zero reasons why a TE shouldn\'t be all world by default. The middle should be his to own.
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