Day 2 Grade It

hagan714 · 04-29-2007, 05:02 PM

I have to take some time and think about it. right now a C. that last pick...?

nola_swammi · 04-29-2007, 05:09 PM

D, the only pick I like on second day is Jerome Bushrod. The overall grade is a D+. I was wrong last year and I hope I am wrong again

ScottF · 04-29-2007, 05:45 PM

No offense to anyone, but I really can't see how anybody can grade our draft.

There is just no enough to go on right now, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Payton found gold in the small colleges last year, but we all know what a gamble it is. Alleman, Young, Bushrod and Jones all played against second-tier talent last year. Who knows if they will have success like Evans and Colston?

I do know 2 things-
None of our draft picks will start against Indy in the opener, or maybe at all
We will have at least 1, maybe 2 new defensive lineman by the opener

pakowitz · 04-29-2007, 06:14 PM

i bet you meachem will start... he doesnt have that much to beat out.... devery is a much better 3rd wr then a 2nd option... he just doesnt run routes that well and has suspect hands at time...

ScottyRo · 04-29-2007, 06:18 PM

Yeah, Meachem has a chance and maybe Alleman. The o-line played better than I expected last year, but they weren't great.

As for the CB's we drafted there's no chance of them starting, but even a 1st round rookie CB would have a tough time getting a start now.

Last year we had a ton of holes so it was easier for a rook to start. It's not going to play out that way this year.

TheDeuce · 04-29-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

i bet you meachem will start... he doesnt have that much to beat out.... devery is a much better 3rd wr then a 2nd option... he just doesnt run routes that well and has suspect hands at time...

Well it's funny that you mention the reason that Devery should be 3rd is because he runs bad routes and has suspect hands, because that is the knock on Meachem. Supposedly he's a sloppy route runner:

Strengths: Possesses very good size and above average speed for a bigger receiver. His initial burst is impressive and he shows the consistent ability to drive defensive backs off the line of scrimmage. He possesses long arms and big hands. Knows how to use his body to shield defenders. Can pluck on the run, gets up-field extremely quickly for his size and also shows the ability to consistently make the first defender miss. He is a strong runner that will break attempted arm tackles versus smaller DB's in the open field.

Weaknesses: Still can improve his consistency as a route runner. Has a tendency to round off some of his routes and isn't always as crisp as he should be getting in and out of his breaks. He seems to have some problems reading coverage; he will occasionally fail to find soft spots in zone and he doesn't always seem to be on the same page with his quarterback on option routes. He seems to struggle locating the ball occasionally on deep throws and will mis-time some of his leaps. Also needs to become more physical; he seems to fear going over the middle and will drop some catchable passes when he hears footsteps. Gives a good effort as a blocker but needs to improve his technique. Needs to play with more leverage and learn to sustain down-field blocks more effectively. Knee injury in 2003 is somewhat concerning but he has been healthy since.

Is that not almost exactly the same player as Devery Henderson?

pakowitz · 04-29-2007, 08:56 PM

yes but he isnt terrible at running routes... devery is horrible.. he is a deep threat at best, i dont ever see him as being a #2 reciever but meachem has a chance to be very good

TheDeuce · 04-29-2007, 09:07 PM

Alright, you may have a point there Pak.

I mentioned earlier in another thread about Meachem's face when Goodell announced that the Saints selected him, and how he had "Holy sh**" written all over his face. He's shaking his head and stuff... CHECK IT OUT!!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hyWkZZ6X-LM

ScottyRo · 04-29-2007, 09:16 PM

I noticed that look too, but it's hard to judge what he's reacting to. I don't think it's anything more than disbelief or actually relief to be picked. The way his family reacts it doesn't seem like this is some sort of negative or that he didn't want to come here. I don't know if that's what you meant, but that's my take on it.

TheDeuce · 04-29-2007, 09:18 PM

Yeah, I mean I guess it is hard to read that look, but when I was watching it live, my first impression was that he was like "O crap, not New Orleans..." But you're right about his family's reaction, they seemed pretty excited. I don't know, I guess I'm just remembering back to Reggie's reaction and trying to draw similarities.

04-29-2007, 05:02 PM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Day 2 Grade It I have to take some time and think about it. right now a C. that last pick...?

04-29-2007, 08:46 PM	#6
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Originally Posted by pakowitz i bet you meachem will start... he doesnt have that much to beat out.... devery is a much better 3rd wr then a 2nd option... he just doesnt run routes that well and has suspect hands at time... Well it's funny that you mention the reason that Devery should be 3rd is because he runs bad routes and has suspect hands, because that is the knock on Meachem. Supposedly he's a sloppy route runner: Strengths: Possesses very good size and above average speed for a bigger receiver. His initial burst is impressive and he shows the consistent ability to drive defensive backs off the line of scrimmage. He possesses long arms and big hands. Knows how to use his body to shield defenders. Can pluck on the run, gets up-field extremely quickly for his size and also shows the ability to consistently make the first defender miss. He is a strong runner that will break attempted arm tackles versus smaller DB's in the open field. Weaknesses: Still can improve his consistency as a route runner. Has a tendency to round off some of his routes and isn't always as crisp as he should be getting in and out of his breaks. He seems to have some problems reading coverage; he will occasionally fail to find soft spots in zone and he doesn't always seem to be on the same page with his quarterback on option routes. He seems to struggle locating the ball occasionally on deep throws and will mis-time some of his leaps. Also needs to become more physical; he seems to fear going over the middle and will drop some catchable passes when he hears footsteps. Gives a good effort as a blocker but needs to improve his technique. Needs to play with more leverage and learn to sustain down-field blocks more effectively. Knee injury in 2003 is somewhat concerning but he has been healthy since. Is that not almost exactly the same player as Devery Henderson?
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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Alright, you may have a point there Pak. I mentioned earlier in another thread about Meachem's face when Goodell announced that the Saints selected him, and how he had "Holy sh**" written all over his face. He's shaking his head and stuff... CHECK IT OUT!!!!! http://youtube.com/watch?v=hyWkZZ6X-LM
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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Yeah, I mean I guess it is hard to read that look, but when I was watching it live, my first impression was that he was like "O crap, not New Orleans..." But you're right about his family's reaction, they seemed pretty excited. I don't know, I guess I'm just remembering back to Reggie's reaction and trying to draw similarities.
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04-29-2007, 05:09 PM	#2
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	D, the only pick I like on second day is Jerome Bushrod. The overall grade is a D+. I was wrong last year and I hope I am wrong again

04-29-2007, 05:45 PM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	No offense to anyone, but I really can't see how anybody can grade our draft. There is just no enough to go on right now, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Payton found gold in the small colleges last year, but we all know what a gamble it is. Alleman, Young, Bushrod and Jones all played against second-tier talent last year. Who knows if they will have success like Evans and Colston? I do know 2 things- None of our draft picks will start against Indy in the opener, or maybe at all We will have at least 1, maybe 2 new defensive lineman by the opener

04-29-2007, 06:14 PM	#4
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	i bet you meachem will start... he doesnt have that much to beat out.... devery is a much better 3rd wr then a 2nd option... he just doesnt run routes that well and has suspect hands at time...

04-29-2007, 06:18 PM	#5
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Yeah, Meachem has a chance and maybe Alleman. The o-line played better than I expected last year, but they weren't great. As for the CB's we drafted there's no chance of them starting, but even a 1st round rookie CB would have a tough time getting a start now. Last year we had a ton of holes so it was easier for a rook to start. It's not going to play out that way this year.

04-29-2007, 08:56 PM	#7
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	yes but he isnt terrible at running routes... devery is horrible.. he is a deep threat at best, i dont ever see him as being a #2 reciever but meachem has a chance to be very good

04-29-2007, 09:16 PM	#9
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	I noticed that look too, but it's hard to judge what he's reacting to. I don't think it's anything more than disbelief or actually relief to be picked. The way his family reacts it doesn't seem like this is some sort of negative or that he didn't want to come here. I don't know if that's what you meant, but that's my take on it.