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hagan714 05-01-2007 05:50 AM

The defense like the offense was patch work unit. They both did a great job. We need some starters to plug in here or there or have a few of the old dogs to get their bit back. Depth is the key issue across the board. Well it seems like the draft, UDFA, street FA and 08 practice sqaud have addressed most of the issues. Now lets see what happens in camp now. We all know this is not the end of adding new faces till then. The saints may have one or two moves left till then that will be key to building the team for the future. Lets see how this group shapes up first. Stepping in the right direction.
You have to give Fred some slack. The Safety play last year was a spotty to say the least. One starter and some aged verterans did not cut it.

ScottF 05-01-2007 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 (Post 128754)
Most of the big plays against our defense was by Fred Thomas. Yea we had some problems in the run game. But I do remember Boykin from last year and I think they are pretty high on him.Last year he just had some personal problems, when he got the straight he came back. I too think this new Thimas kid can be a boon to the line IF they can keep him on the straight and narrow.

True that Thomas hurt us, but we were suspect all over. Look at some of the big runs we gave up- notably against Carolina, and then versus the Eagles in the playoffs. We just didn't have the speed or awareness to prevent the big ones.

Bobaganoosh 05-01-2007 12:54 PM

Dont count on June 1st cuts producing any big name guys. I cant remember even 1 from last year. teams are doing a much better job with the salary cap now and not to mention, the cap is through the roof. there will be a few guys cut by the time training camp starts but nothing that will knock your socks off.

GumboDawg 05-01-2007 03:08 PM

In actual execution our defense was probably not 11th, but I bet it's it least that now with us not having to put Fred Thomas on the field. I know it's an oversimplification to hang the woes of an entire unit on one person, and it's especially unfair to a true professional such as Fred, but you kinda sorta gotta look at it that way.

The main problem last year was the deep ball, and Fred was the one who got picked on for most of those deep balls. See Carolina, Cincy, Chicago. I bet I'm forgetting a big play in either the Pittsburgh or Baltimore game.You can even make the argument that any statistical problem with our run defense was a result of us being overly concerned w/ providing help to coverage. Honestly, I thought our run D was pretty good when it needed to be, i.e. short yardage/momentum swinging situations. I felt better on 3rd and short than 3rd and 8. We gave up big runs on pass-run "neutral" downs, when we had to pay attention to the pass as much as the run.

The LB's played well as a unit -- the sum greater than the parts. Get Harper back on the field, let competition decide between Kaevasharn and Bullocks, and swap out Fred for Jason David and Simmons for Simoneau -- that has to spell improvement. Factor in another year of experience in the scheme and I think we're in good shape.

Fleured 05-01-2007 03:31 PM

anytime the TV color analyst(s) can say for certain the opposing QB should just go for whatever receiver is lined up against Fred Thomas, it's a safe bet the foe's offensive coordinator that figured that out as well. I was figuring on Chris Houston but I think The Saints had a good draft and when we iron out the DB issues the South better strap on their cleats and hold on for the ride. It's gonna be bumpy.

Saintuary 05-02-2007 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LongTimeFan (Post 128771)
The Saints defense wasn't bad last season in not for our secondary, we played pretty good up front, Fred Thomas just killed us, especially with the deep balls , the Saints will be much improved next season because now we'll be able to cover down field.
The future looks great with the Saints..
I also hope to see that the line protects Brees better than they did last season...

I agree, I feel Drew may not be touched next year. The OL has a year vested in their offenser, they will only get better. Now they've matured enough to teach their backups, win/win situation.

If Big Daddy pans out, I feel sorry for our opponents, NOT!

D24pick 05-02-2007 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 128868)
and Bullocks is TERRIBLE! I'm praying that Kaesvaharn replaces him in the starting lineup. He's a better tackler and has better instincts than Bullocks. How many times last year was Bullocks in the wrong position or took wrong angles? I do believe some of those long runs will be limited now that we have Brian Simmons. He's a run stuffing MLB and he will certainly be an improvement over the cover style MLB Simineau. Still, a real banger at SS would have been nice in the draft or UFA. Maybe we'll pick up a vet after June 1st.

That would be so dumb. We were very weak in coverage on Defense was because we were of age and less atheleticism. To let you know we player Cover 1 and Man-to-Man last year. We cannot blame Bullocks at all, or not as much as people fault him. The guy spent 70% darn near up in the box. The plays we gave up was because of Bellamy and Thomas. McKenzie barely got beaten, and the big plays was when Bullocks caught up to the play

Replacing Bullocks with KK makes us even worse. KK isn't faster, more atheletic, or I'd say better than Bullocks. He's just an overly productive Nickel back, which is just what we should have him at and let him make plays there

hagan714 05-03-2007 04:06 AM

here, here D24

Safety position was thin last year. Harper going down hurt us big time. Josh had to play FS fulltime and try to make up for the lack of depth at SS. I think he did okay but it was to much to ask of him. I look for at least one of these CB we are bringing in to up grade the depth at the SS position. Gleason is what he is a special teams demon. His contract proves it. Jay is ready for key west and sunset watching. So keep you eye on the kids and the rotation in preseason. At least one will be at SS I bet. Jay and Gleason maybe goners this year or next.

WhoDat205 05-03-2007 08:27 AM

Bingo!
 
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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 128814)
The main reason our defense was # 11 is because of the offense time of possesion. The defense did play ok but it does need some improvement

You got it. I bet if you looked at yds per play or drive or some "per capita" statistics we were at the bottom of the barrell.

However, I'm not so inclined to join the Fred Thomas lynch squad. He got burned deep in a primarily man-to-man defense. If a CB gets burned deep, then there is at least equal blame on the Safties. But I think you gotta put a good bit of the blame on the coaching staff. If the commentators know what comming, then the coaches should too.

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