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BRSaintsFan 05-03-2007 09:05 AM

I think we needed a better influx of speed and experience into our defense. Granted our defense played better and played SMART, but a huge reason for the success was indeed the offense. When the offense was operating high octane, you start to make the other team a little more one dimensional and cut out a large portion of their playbook and now the smart players you have on defense can make things happen. On the other hand, when Deuce was pounding the ball and we were turning out long, time consuming drives, other offenses couldnt get on the field and make plays. This is just from sheer memory but it was really the offenses and players with top end speed that hurt our defense. Willie Parker torching us with 213 yards rushing most of which came on two long runs to the outside. Chad Johnson burning our defense for 190 yards on 6 catches (not 100% sure, but i think two of his long TDs were on deep routes).

We were certainly suscepitble to the big play. First, the nature of our defense leaves some exposure to big plays. We dont blitz a whole lot to generate hella pressure...we more or less rely on our line. We dont really mix and match zone and man coverages all that much leaving our corners who while servicable werent top notch by any means last year often mismatched.

lumm0x 05-03-2007 10:36 AM

I think many share the perception our defense graded out better than they really were. In watching all the games last season, even in a second viewing I still see the same trend. We were a two-faced unit. We'd execute perfectly over a couple of downs and then have a massive breakdown of assignments or individual error. We had flat out dominated and dictated on one down and then fell apart the very next with a blown coverage or missed gap assignment that resulted in a big play. We were not consistent, and yes, many times our success was a fluke on a play with getting lucky and avoiding potential exposure. The only real consistency I did see was on the part of Fujita, Shanle and our DE's. They generally had good instincts, angles and maintained their personal containment.

Our DT play was erratic. Brian Young, for all his heart, is rarely effective. He doesn't take up much blocking and he isn't a pocket threat as a rule. Hollis can dominate the middle but it's always in flashes, and he missed alot of time last year. All the rotation players are equally inconsistent. Simoneau was not a sure tackler or adept at being where he needed to be, a combination that befell Bullocks and McKenzie as well. Thomas was in over his head too often and you can't fault him for being put in positions he was not capable of success. He has skills left, just not to be matched up on an island with bigger, faster players. Losing Harper and suffering the rotation of Stoudamire and Bellamy was painful. Both like to hit but neither is game fast or good in coverage.

I do like having Simmons and Kaeshviharn added to the mix. Neither are massive upgrades but they are more saavy at their positions that we previously had. I think that a healthy Harper, Ninkovich and Jason David will be huge for this defense. Last year saw too many players trying to do their own job but be aware of supporting a weakness elsewhere. Guys like Bullocks, Shanle and Charles Grant did not stand out like they could because they played half their game trying to assist another spot as a fail safe. It made them less effective in their true role. I am very happy we returned a good portion of our defensive unit. I do not think we are far from a consistent top 10 crew here. Our defense is not a big concern for me going into this season and I really think we are gonna be better than last year visibly and not just stat wise.

BooBirdSaint 05-03-2007 10:59 AM

Were gonna find out real quick this season where the D stands vs. last year. At Indy, at Seattle & at Frisco all before the end of Oct. Nice!

WhoDat205 05-03-2007 11:02 AM

I've got a bad feeling about the '9ers.

WhoDat205 05-03-2007 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 129118)
don't worry about the Niners...their LB's are average...

Not for long...Willis is coming.

D24pick 05-03-2007 05:25 PM

Well put Hagan. I believe and say the same thing you're saying. I have a good hunch that maybe the Texas College CB or Shanle's Bro or even Jones will try a few practices at SS and be a stud there. Im leaning towards Shanle or Jones. Jones is a ballhawk and with a little technique work he'd look good anywhere on the field in coverage. Cannot wait til Camp starts!

SaintFanInATLHELL 05-04-2007 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jergensl (Post 128748)
...why so many think we still need vast improvement on defense, the saints did finish as the 11th best defense last year.

Run defense and giving up big plays. The Saints finished 23rd in rushing defense giving up over 125 YPG. Then when the safeties crept up to support the run, everyone threw over the top and picked on Freddie "Gameshow" Thomas.

The team changed the CB position in the offseason. David won't get beat nearly as bad or as often as Gameshow.

The run still needs some improvement. The defense also needs to not give up big plays in the run game. I still cringe thinking about Willie Parker going for 140 in just two plays.
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the LB crew was not near the best in the nfc, but it was solid and with the addition of brian simmons and the addition fo some young guys there is a big improvement.

with adding jason david, roman harper returning, bullocks having another year under his belt and picking up a "young" guy (so puny) at corner...the secondary is improved.
Agreed.

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our defensive line is not in need of immediate help, but hollis thomas does not have that many years left (maybe only 1).
We need a front 7 that can consistently stop the run. I think that's why everyone is hoping that the Thomas Twins (TM) can be created on the line in the middle to stop the run.

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saying all that...i do thing houston might have been a could pick at 27 instead of meachum. now if meachum turns out to be a solid #2 and young takes over for mckenzie by the end of the year or at least is a solid #3 corner, i will take that back.
Meachum is going to be an immediate impact receiver for the Saints. I'm trying to figure out how defenses are going to break down sets with Colston, Meachum, Henderson, and Bush in the backfield or motioning into the slot. Way too much talent for most defenses to handle.

Young is strictly a project. The real dilemma is whether or not he'll have enough of a skillset by the end of training camp to make the 53 man roster. Payton has said and proved time and time again that if you can't contribute is a substitive way, you can't get onto his 53 man roster. So Young will have to show he can play special teams or contribute in some way in order to make the roster.

McKenzie has shown no signs of slowing down. Last year the only time I remember seeing him anywhere near a GameShow moment was that TD pass by Campbell in the Washington game. Both he and Gameshow were in the end zone when the ball got there. Why would he need to be replaced?

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i am interested to see how palko develops. i pray that brees doesn't get injured. if he does, the saints season is done.
That's a given. Martin could not carry the load in the one game he played last year.

SFIAh


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