I don't understand...

jergensl · 04-30-2007, 04:45 PM

...why so many think we still need vast improvement on defense, the saints did finish as the 11th best defense last year.

the LB crew was not near the best in the nfc, but it was solid and with the addition of brian simmons and the addition fo some young guys there is a big improvement.

with adding jason david, roman harper returning, bullocks having another year under his belt and picking up a "young" guy (so puny) at corner...the secondary is improved.

our defensive line is not in need of immediate help, but hollis thomas does not have that many years left (maybe only 1).

saying all that...i do thing houston might have been a could pick at 27 instead of meachum. now if meachum turns out to be a solid #2 and young takes over for mckenzie by the end of the year or atleast is a solid #3 corner, i will take that back.

i am interested to see how palko develops. i pray that brees doesn't get injured. if he does, the saints season is done.

Euphoria · 04-30-2007, 04:56 PM

Our D looked good, damn good at times but they never dominated. They gave up big plays, to many big plays. We need some dominate guys who can play consistant. Weakness were exposed and teams took advantage of them. At least on O our weakness was disguised most of the time.

JOESAM2002 · 04-30-2007, 05:07 PM

Most of the big plays against our defense was by Fred Thomas. Yea we had some problems in the run game. But I do remember Boykin from last year and I think they are pretty high on him.Last year he just had some personal problems, when he got the straight he came back. I too think this new Thimas kid can be a boon to the line IF they can keep him on the straight and narrow.

ScottyRo · 04-30-2007, 07:52 PM

I was really looking for some help on the D-line. Another good solid DT would have been nice. Honestly, I have no clue about the backup to the DE's either. All in all though, in FA we got a LB, CB, S, plus two CBs in the draft. That's a lot of new blood for the D.

LongTimeFan · 04-30-2007, 08:19 PM

The Saints defense wasn't bad last season in not for our secondary, we played pretty good up front, Fred Thomas just killed us, especially with the deep balls , the Saints will be much improved next season because now we'll be able to cover down field.
The future looks great with the Saints..
I also hope to see that the line protects Brees better than they did last season...

Euphoria · 04-30-2007, 08:31 PM

...you can put the blame where ever you like but The DB's gave up huge pass plays (either D-line with no rush or bad DB's). Our OL gave up HUGE running plays (D-line, LB's, DB's) Whatever! Everyone had there fair share of giving up big plays.

Saintuary · 05-02-2007, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by LongTimeFan

The Saints defense wasn't bad last season in not for our secondary, we played pretty good up front, Fred Thomas just killed us, especially with the deep balls , the Saints will be much improved next season because now we'll be able to cover down field.
The future looks great with the Saints..
I also hope to see that the line protects Brees better than they did last season...

I agree, I feel Drew may not be touched next year. The OL has a year vested in their offenser, they will only get better. Now they've matured enough to teach their backups, win/win situation.

If Big Daddy pans out, I feel sorry for our opponents, NOT!

ScottF · 05-01-2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

Most of the big plays against our defense was by Fred Thomas. Yea we had some problems in the run game. But I do remember Boykin from last year and I think they are pretty high on him.Last year he just had some personal problems, when he got the straight he came back. I too think this new Thimas kid can be a boon to the line IF they can keep him on the straight and narrow.

True that Thomas hurt us, but we were suspect all over. Look at some of the big runs we gave up- notably against Carolina, and then versus the Eagles in the playoffs. We just didn't have the speed or awareness to prevent the big ones.

Bobaganoosh · 05-01-2007, 12:54 PM

Dont count on June 1st cuts producing any big name guys. I cant remember even 1 from last year. teams are doing a much better job with the salary cap now and not to mention, the cap is through the roof. there will be a few guys cut by the time training camp starts but nothing that will knock your socks off.

D24pick · 05-02-2007, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

and Bullocks is TERRIBLE! I'm praying that Kaesvaharn replaces him in the starting lineup. He's a better tackler and has better instincts than Bullocks. How many times last year was Bullocks in the wrong position or took wrong angles? I do believe some of those long runs will be limited now that we have Brian Simmons. He's a run stuffing MLB and he will certainly be an improvement over the cover style MLB Simineau. Still, a real banger at SS would have been nice in the draft or UFA. Maybe we'll pick up a vet after June 1st.

That would be so dumb. We were very weak in coverage on Defense was because we were of age and less atheleticism. To let you know we player Cover 1 and Man-to-Man last year. We cannot blame Bullocks at all, or not as much as people fault him. The guy spent 70% darn near up in the box. The plays we gave up was because of Bellamy and Thomas. McKenzie barely got beaten, and the big plays was when Bullocks caught up to the play

Replacing Bullocks with KK makes us even worse. KK isn't faster, more atheletic, or I'd say better than Bullocks. He's just an overly productive Nickel back, which is just what we should have him at and let him make plays there

04-30-2007, 04:45 PM	#1
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	I don't understand... ...why so many think we still need vast improvement on defense, the saints did finish as the 11th best defense last year. the LB crew was not near the best in the nfc, but it was solid and with the addition of brian simmons and the addition fo some young guys there is a big improvement. with adding jason david, roman harper returning, bullocks having another year under his belt and picking up a "young" guy (so puny) at corner...the secondary is improved. our defensive line is not in need of immediate help, but hollis thomas does not have that many years left (maybe only 1). saying all that...i do thing houston might have been a could pick at 27 instead of meachum. now if meachum turns out to be a solid #2 and young takes over for mckenzie by the end of the year or atleast is a solid #3 corner, i will take that back. i am interested to see how palko develops. i pray that brees doesn't get injured. if he does, the saints season is done.

04-30-2007, 08:31 PM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Blame ...you can put the blame where ever you like but The DB's gave up huge pass plays (either D-line with no rush or bad DB's). Our OL gave up HUGE running plays (D-line, LB's, DB's) Whatever! Everyone had there fair share of giving up big plays.

05-02-2007, 09:56 PM	#7
Saintuary 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 198	Originally Posted by LongTimeFan The Saints defense wasn't bad last season in not for our secondary, we played pretty good up front, Fred Thomas just killed us, especially with the deep balls , the Saints will be much improved next season because now we'll be able to cover down field. The future looks great with the Saints.. I also hope to see that the line protects Brees better than they did last season... I agree, I feel Drew may not be touched next year. The OL has a year vested in their offenser, they will only get better. Now they've matured enough to teach their backups, win/win situation. If Big Daddy pans out, I feel sorry for our opponents, NOT!

05-01-2007, 11:12 AM	#8
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 Most of the big plays against our defense was by Fred Thomas. Yea we had some problems in the run game. But I do remember Boykin from last year and I think they are pretty high on him.Last year he just had some personal problems, when he got the straight he came back. I too think this new Thimas kid can be a boon to the line IF they can keep him on the straight and narrow. True that Thomas hurt us, but we were suspect all over. Look at some of the big runs we gave up- notably against Carolina, and then versus the Eagles in the playoffs. We just didn't have the speed or awareness to prevent the big ones.

05-02-2007, 10:07 PM	#10
D24pick 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 578	Originally Posted by saintsmissile and Bullocks is TERRIBLE! I'm praying that Kaesvaharn replaces him in the starting lineup. He's a better tackler and has better instincts than Bullocks. How many times last year was Bullocks in the wrong position or took wrong angles? I do believe some of those long runs will be limited now that we have Brian Simmons. He's a run stuffing MLB and he will certainly be an improvement over the cover style MLB Simineau. Still, a real banger at SS would have been nice in the draft or UFA. Maybe we'll pick up a vet after June 1st. That would be so dumb. We were very weak in coverage on Defense was because we were of age and less atheleticism. To let you know we player Cover 1 and Man-to-Man last year. We cannot blame Bullocks at all, or not as much as people fault him. The guy spent 70% darn near up in the box. The plays we gave up was because of Bellamy and Thomas. McKenzie barely got beaten, and the big plays was when Bullocks caught up to the play Replacing Bullocks with KK makes us even worse. KK isn't faster, more atheletic, or I'd say better than Bullocks. He's just an overly productive Nickel back, which is just what we should have him at and let him make plays there
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04-30-2007, 04:56 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	The problem is... Our D looked good, damn good at times but they never dominated. They gave up big plays, to many big plays. We need some dominate guys who can play consistant. Weakness were exposed and teams took advantage of them. At least on O our weakness was disguised most of the time.

04-30-2007, 05:07 PM	#3
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Most of the big plays against our defense was by Fred Thomas. Yea we had some problems in the run game. But I do remember Boykin from last year and I think they are pretty high on him.Last year he just had some personal problems, when he got the straight he came back. I too think this new Thimas kid can be a boon to the line IF they can keep him on the straight and narrow.

04-30-2007, 07:52 PM	#4
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	I was really looking for some help on the D-line. Another good solid DT would have been nice. Honestly, I have no clue about the backup to the DE's either. All in all though, in FA we got a LB, CB, S, plus two CBs in the draft. That's a lot of new blood for the D.

04-30-2007, 08:19 PM	#5
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	The Saints defense wasn't bad last season in not for our secondary, we played pretty good up front, Fred Thomas just killed us, especially with the deep balls , the Saints will be much improved next season because now we'll be able to cover down field. The future looks great with the Saints.. I also hope to see that the line protects Brees better than they did last season...

05-01-2007, 12:54 PM	#9
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Dont count on June 1st cuts producing any big name guys. I cant remember even 1 from last year. teams are doing a much better job with the salary cap now and not to mention, the cap is through the roof. there will be a few guys cut by the time training camp starts but nothing that will knock your socks off.