Will Smith Not Happy

scott406 · 05-04-2007, 12:33 PM

I have settled on that one.
for now..

scott406 · 05-04-2007, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by papz

All fake money... don't be fooled by the value of the contracts you see. Of that 80 million for Clement, he's probably only going to see about 25 million of that over the first 3 years.

I agree with you, but you know the player's agent won't go for that.

ScottyRo · 05-04-2007, 12:41 PM

It's this situation that makes me think the league would be better off having clauses to increase the pay of a player who is highly outperforming his contract as well as to decrease the pay of a player severely underperforming his contract. It'll never happen, but I can understand Smith's envy of Grant's contract. I just think it's on him to control those feelings until it's his turn to reap the benefits of his performance.

papz · 05-04-2007, 12:46 PM

Kinda hard (no pun intended) keeping my mind on football with that avatar!

No kidding... did someone say something?

scott406 · 05-04-2007, 12:47 PM

[QUOTE=saintsmissile;129248]Kinda hard (no pun intended) keeping my mind on football with that avatar! Damn son! I agree though, it is true that most of the money reported doesn't get paid. However, the guaranteed money does and Grant got 20 mill. Still a lot for a non pro bowl player imho.[/QUOTE

I can remove it if you are having trouble concentrating.
On 2nd thought, no

But here you go

Sorry guys,but we just can't have links to pictures like that on here. Not that i'm a prudebut you know......

NSFW

WhoDat205 · 05-04-2007, 12:50 PM

Oh, so that's what NSFW means...I think I just got fired.

TheDeuce · 05-04-2007, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

An opposite situation is unfolding in New Orleans, where the Saints signed their franchise defensive end Charles Grant to a seven-year contract worth up to $63 million. Grant is now happy; New Orleans other defensive end, Pro Bowl selection Will Smith, is not.

Smith has two years remaining on a contract that is scheduled to pay him less than $1 million this season. Smith now is seeking a new contract and he is hoping and expecting talks aimed at a new contract to start soon, if they haven't already.

Personnel people around the league believe that Smith is every bit the player that Grant is, if not better, it's just that Grant had the fortune of having his contract expire now. But this is a prime example of the ripple effects of any lucrative contract that any team in the league now hands out. Somebody is going to be happy, and somebody is not.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10164717

Above is the article where PFT got their information. My feeling is that Smith should wait another year before asking for a new contract. I don't mind players wanting to get a new deal with one year left since that can get us past the hassle of the franchise tag, but two years is just too early.

Instead of greedily wanting to get his money now, the signing of Grant should indicate to him that the Saints are going to give big contracts to their important players. We can go back and forth on the which DE is better debate, but the bottomline is Grant played out his contract without pulling any of this dissension in the ranks crap. One has acted like a leader (at least until the franchise tag) and the other is acting like a greedy prima dona.

My vote will be for keeping the leader and drafting the prima dona's replacement next year.

I completely agree here with ScottyRo. Sure, Will Smith deserves more money than he's making, but he's the one who signed the G**da** contract in the first place. If he's not willing to honor a promise that he made to this franchise, then why should we pay him a freakin cent? I hate sh** like this. These guys are making 25-50X as much as a typical fan, and they're sitting there whining about not making enough. Yes, equity theory says that we compare our inputs/outputs to other people's inputs/outputs and judge accordingly, but Will Smith signed his contract, so he needs to stop acting like a spoiled brat, shut up, and play football.

And I completely agree with your other point ScottyRo; when we signed Charles Grant, I think it showed that the franchise is committed to keeping our key players. Will Smith should understand this, and see that Grant played out his contract, and then got a new, fat one for his play over the last few years.

And on a side note, Charles Grant deserves every penny we're paying him in his new contract. He's got good stats, but IMO, more importantly, he brings more emotion to our defense than anybody else.

mikesaintfan · 05-04-2007, 01:20 PM

will smtih for lance briggs yes or no?

papz · 05-04-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

will smtih for lance briggs yes or no?

Definately no. Who's going to sack the passer for us? We don't have a suitable replacement for Smith nor do we need Briggs right now. We have we solid guys starting and though they aren't Lance Briggs, they're more than capable of getting the job done. Trading Smith will only leave a BIG void on our defense.

mikesaintfan · 05-04-2007, 01:48 PM

yeah you r right i am just looking so forward to this season i want news every day
i definetly think smith deserves a big fat raise and should give him a new frontloaded contract if we have anymore cap room

05-04-2007, 12:37 PM	#22
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	Originally Posted by papz All fake money... don't be fooled by the value of the contracts you see. Of that 80 million for Clement, he's probably only going to see about 25 million of that over the first 3 years. I agree with you, but you know the player's agent won't go for that.

05-04-2007, 12:47 PM	#25
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	[QUOTE=saintsmissile;129248]Kinda hard (no pun intended) keeping my mind on football with that avatar! Damn son! I agree though, it is true that most of the money reported doesn't get paid. However, the guaranteed money does and Grant got 20 mill. Still a lot for a non pro bowl player imho.[/QUOTE I can remove it if you are having trouble concentrating. On 2nd thought, no But here you go Sorry guys,but we just can't have links to pictures like that on here. Not that i'm a prudebut you know...... NSFW
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05-04-2007, 01:15 PM	#27
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Originally Posted by ScottyRo An opposite situation is unfolding in New Orleans, where the Saints signed their franchise defensive end Charles Grant to a seven-year contract worth up to $63 million. Grant is now happy; New Orleans other defensive end, Pro Bowl selection Will Smith, is not. Smith has two years remaining on a contract that is scheduled to pay him less than $1 million this season. Smith now is seeking a new contract and he is hoping and expecting talks aimed at a new contract to start soon, if they haven't already. Personnel people around the league believe that Smith is every bit the player that Grant is, if not better, it's just that Grant had the fortune of having his contract expire now. But this is a prime example of the ripple effects of any lucrative contract that any team in the league now hands out. Somebody is going to be happy, and somebody is not. http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10164717 Above is the article where PFT got their information. My feeling is that Smith should wait another year before asking for a new contract. I don't mind players wanting to get a new deal with one year left since that can get us past the hassle of the franchise tag, but two years is just too early. Instead of greedily wanting to get his money now, the signing of Grant should indicate to him that the Saints are going to give big contracts to their important players. We can go back and forth on the which DE is better debate, but the bottomline is Grant played out his contract without pulling any of this dissension in the ranks crap. One has acted like a leader (at least until the franchise tag) and the other is acting like a greedy prima dona. My vote will be for keeping the leader and drafting the prima dona's replacement next year. I completely agree here with ScottyRo. Sure, Will Smith deserves more money than he's making, but he's the one who signed the Gda contract in the first place. If he's not willing to honor a promise that he made to this franchise, then why should we pay him a freakin cent? I hate sh** like this. These guys are making 25-50X as much as a typical fan, and they're sitting there whining about not making enough. Yes, equity theory says that we compare our inputs/outputs to other people's inputs/outputs and judge accordingly, but Will Smith signed his contract, so he needs to stop acting like a spoiled brat, shut up, and play football. And I completely agree with your other point ScottyRo; when we signed Charles Grant, I think it showed that the franchise is committed to keeping our key players. Will Smith should understand this, and see that Grant played out his contract, and then got a new, fat one for his play over the last few years. And on a side note, Charles Grant deserves every penny we're paying him in his new contract. He's got good stats, but IMO, more importantly, he brings more emotion to our defense than anybody else.
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05-04-2007, 01:20 PM	#28
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	trade will smtih for lance briggs yes or no?

05-04-2007, 01:29 PM	#29
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Originally Posted by mikesaintfan will smtih for lance briggs yes or no? Definately no. Who's going to sack the passer for us? We don't have a suitable replacement for Smith nor do we need Briggs right now. We have we solid guys starting and though they aren't Lance Briggs, they're more than capable of getting the job done. Trading Smith will only leave a BIG void on our defense.

05-04-2007, 12:33 PM	#21
scott406 Registered Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Westbank Posts: 72	I have settled on that one. for now..

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05-04-2007, 12:41 PM	#23
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	It's this situation that makes me think the league would be better off having clauses to increase the pay of a player who is highly outperforming his contract as well as to decrease the pay of a player severely underperforming his contract. It'll never happen, but I can understand Smith's envy of Grant's contract. I just think it's on him to control those feelings until it's his turn to reap the benefits of his performance.

05-04-2007, 12:46 PM	#24
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Kinda hard (no pun intended) keeping my mind on football with that avatar! No kidding... did someone say something?

05-04-2007, 12:50 PM	#26
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Oh, so that's what NSFW means...I think I just got fired.

05-04-2007, 01:48 PM	#30
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	true dat yeah you r right i am just looking so forward to this season i want news every day i definetly think smith deserves a big fat raise and should give him a new frontloaded contract if we have anymore cap room