i think i found the reason for what some say was a bad draft.........

JOESAM2002 · 05-09-2007, 04:32 PM

He did. He came to Tennessee as a running back, they switched him.

NarwhalHunter · 05-09-2007, 11:38 PM

Actually, Jonathan Wade and Usama Young have nearly identical measurables, but Wade flopped back and forth between football and track and didn't do anything until his senior year, his only as a full-time starter. Even then, lots of scouts said he was just a track guy in pads. Young was a four-year starter, which is a huge edge at any position, and Payton seems to prefer guys who are football players first as opposed to great athletes with dazzling numbers, the way Haslett always did. See Harper, Roman for the perfect example of this (another head scratcher to most everyone at the time, too, and now one of our up and comers).

Also, I'm pretty sure that David Jones got the nod over Tarell Brown due to better versatility as a kick returner or even receiver, as well as Brown having a few character issues hanging over his head. A few scouts said David Jones was the best small school corner last year, which ain't too shabby.

Bobaganoosh · 05-11-2007, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

you almost wish you could pick the staff's brains and ask him what in particular made Young and David better selections than the more battle tested Wade and Brown. Was it their long term upside? Was it their high character? Was it their ability to be coached? It would be interesting to get their unfiltered thoughts.

I told you guys the week before the draft that the Saints didnt like Wade. They were turned off by him when they saw the way he handled himself at the combine and thought he would be a distraction in the locker room. Tarell Brown has already been arrested 3 times...does that seem like someone that fits in here?? Didnt think so.

bobcat4u2 · 05-11-2007, 11:16 AM

wonder what these ex-perts graded us last year after reggie. probably nothing.we took some players that will be back-up's,special teams and eventually(we hope) good starters. since most positions are filled,(except for exceptional play or a fall-off from last year)that's exactly what was needed

Bobaganoosh · 05-11-2007, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

we wasted a draft pick on M.Mitchell who also has questionable character. I agree Brown does have some "problems", but is that also to say that we will now only take small school prospects because they have less character issues and they take more snaps? Don't know about that. We'll see. If Young and Jones actually makes quality contributions in the next three years it will be a success. If not, we might be in some trouble in our secondary.

You think if our 5th round draft pick doesnt work out for us that it will doom the franchise? Thats crazy. The Saints FO was able to sit down with all these guys and they picked the ones they liked better. Simple as that. After last year, why are you so quick to second guess them? Brown was available in the 5th round, so that means every other team passed up on him too. Are they all doomed too if their fifth round pick doesnt work out?

05-11-2007, 01:41 AM	#23
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by saintsmissile you almost wish you could pick the staff's brains and ask him what in particular made Young and David better selections than the more battle tested Wade and Brown. Was it their long term upside? Was it their high character? Was it their ability to be coached? It would be interesting to get their unfiltered thoughts. I told you guys the week before the draft that the Saints didnt like Wade. They were turned off by him when they saw the way he handled himself at the combine and thought he would be a distraction in the locker room. Tarell Brown has already been arrested 3 times...does that seem like someone that fits in here?? Didnt think so.

05-11-2007, 11:16 AM	#24
bobcat4u2 Registered Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 71	wonder what these ex-perts graded us last year after reggie. probably nothing.we took some players that will be back-up's,special teams and eventually(we hope) good starters. since most positions are filled,(except for exceptional play or a fall-off from last year)that's exactly what was needed
bobcat4u2 Registered Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 71

05-11-2007, 09:27 PM	#25
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by saintsmissile we wasted a draft pick on M.Mitchell who also has questionable character. I agree Brown does have some "problems", but is that also to say that we will now only take small school prospects because they have less character issues and they take more snaps? Don't know about that. We'll see. If Young and Jones actually makes quality contributions in the next three years it will be a success. If not, we might be in some trouble in our secondary. You think if our 5th round draft pick doesnt work out for us that it will doom the franchise? Thats crazy. The Saints FO was able to sit down with all these guys and they picked the ones they liked better. Simple as that. After last year, why are you so quick to second guess them? Brown was available in the 5th round, so that means every other team passed up on him too. Are they all doomed too if their fifth round pick doesnt work out?

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JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	He did. He came to Tennessee as a running back, they switched him.

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NarwhalHunter 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hattiesburger with Cheese Posts: 146 Blog Entries: 1	Actually, Jonathan Wade and Usama Young have nearly identical measurables, but Wade flopped back and forth between football and track and didn't do anything until his senior year, his only as a full-time starter. Even then, lots of scouts said he was just a track guy in pads. Young was a four-year starter, which is a huge edge at any position, and Payton seems to prefer guys who are football players first as opposed to great athletes with dazzling numbers, the way Haslett always did. See Harper, Roman for the perfect example of this (another head scratcher to most everyone at the time, too, and now one of our up and comers). Also, I'm pretty sure that David Jones got the nod over Tarell Brown due to better versatility as a kick returner or even receiver, as well as Brown having a few character issues hanging over his head. A few scouts said David Jones was the best small school corner last year, which ain't too shabby.