worried about the future of deuce

visegripp · 05-11-2007, 10:37 PM

hey guys,

I just joined and this is my 1st post. Its great to chat with hard core black and gold fans who in my opinion seem very knowledgeable of the sport. I am a second yr season ticket holder from minden La. and have been a fan since my dad took me to his buddies house to watch games since i was six. (im 27)

I have a bad feeling deuce may not be with us much longer if he doesnt continue to play at a high level. I will give you my reasons and would love to get you feedback. (I am a huge fan and dont want to loose deuce but hears my points.

(1) the drafting of pittman. Now this all depends on if pittman can prove he can be a inside effective runner IF he can. Because we got him in the forth round, we will have him at a cheap price for a few yrs depending on his progression.

(2) the grant signing. although im glad we got grant signed, because of the big #, its going to make smiths price even more. Maybe 6 yrs 70 million.

(3) others to sign and current big contracts brees -6 yrs 60 million
grant 7 yrs 63 million
bush 6 yrs 62 million
smith ?
colston- wont play long under
small contract
brown-will want huge money and
teams will willing fork over the
dough
(4) deuce carries a huge number left on his new deal and has had one major injury and a history of many.

(5) although payton loves having a back with deuces talent and ability for a inside bruiser, I get the feeling his long term plan will be to get a poor mans deuce alla pittman and use his big cap number in other places.

just my opinion on the way I see the future playing out, what do you guys think?

BleedBlack&Gold · 05-11-2007, 10:42 PM

Pittman cant hold Deuce's Jock, (at the moment).
He will be a good 3rd back but thats it.
He comes from a week Big Ten. And those lineman were opening holes
granny could push her own wheelchair through.
Its a money move and also a fresher pair of legs. Steckler was not able
to do a lot because of limited ability but Pittman at a younger age will
be servicable for insurance purposes and possible trade bait in 2 years

JOESAM2002 · 05-11-2007, 10:49 PM

First, welcome to the board.

Second, I don't see Deuce leaving anytime soon. Sure there's a lot of money flowing around but the salary cap goes up each year.

As for Pittman, I see him as a third down back and a breather for Deuce and Reggie. Pittman has a lot to prove in the NFL. He hasn't even played the first play yet. From what I saw last year at training camp, he might not even make the team. I think he will but you never know.

blacksaint · 05-11-2007, 11:39 PM

Welcome to the true BLACK & GOLD NATION. First of all, the Deuce is not going anywhere, I repeat ANYWHERE! If anything C. Grant would be the logical choice, just hear me out. Let's start with one of the best DE in Saints history, Pat Swilling, he begot Renaldo Turnbull which in turn begot Joe Johnson which brought fourth Darren Howard who sprung fourth Charles Grant, and last but definitely not lest we have Will Smith. See the pattern? Every one of those guys signed huge contracts and when the second guy in line signed his the first guy eventually ended up somewhere else. I'm not saying that that is going to happen, but the pattern is definitely there.

P.S. Forgive me for the biblical text, but the GREYGOOSE got me buzzin', and if I left any of our awesome DE's out, I apologize

D24pick · 05-12-2007, 12:47 AM

Deuce is safe for a maxium of two years with us to me. He's starting to age and will want big bucks. We cannot have two Franchise RBs on our team, and one will have to go. Likely Deuce, he'll go for something, that'll give us some cap room

ScottF · 05-12-2007, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by D24pick

Deuce is safe for a maxium of two years with us to me. He's starting to age and will want big bucks. We cannot have two Franchise RBs on our team, and one will have to go. Likely Deuce, he'll go for something, that'll give us some cap room

First, he's 28, the prime of most RB's careers.

2nd, they are completely different backs, and no way Pittman is ready for Deuce's workload in 2008. Do we really want Reggie running between the tackles, taking all of those hits for 4 yards?

3rd Deuce isn't Bentley, Howard, or Horn. He has roots in NO (Emeril just gave his foundation $500,000) and a sense of loyalty. He knows his role and is a class act.

hagan714 · 05-12-2007, 10:08 AM

Wait and see. I do not think Pittman is going to hurt Duce at all. We needed a RB for the rotation. Pittman fell into our laps. Why would the saints weaken a rotation that needed to upgrade? Besides with the cap increase over the next few years make his contract less of an issue. We looked at the figures when he signed and thought it was a lot. But looking into the future now it is not so bad. Just like Grants. You have have to get over the loaded front ends first. Next year is going to be interest with all the FA we are going to have.
FA in 2008
QB - Jamie Martin
RB - Aaron Stecker
FB - Keith Joseph signed or exclusive-rights
WR - Devery Henderson
WR - Terrance Copper RFA
WR - Jamal Jones signed or exclusive-rights
TE - Billy Miller
TE - Eric Johnson
TE - John Owens Signed or Exclusive Rights
C/G - Jonathan Goodwin
G - Jamar Nesbit
G - Augie Hoffman signed or exclusive rights
T - Rob Petitti signed or exclusive rights
T - Chad Setterstrom signed or exclusive rights
DT - Brian Young
DT - Rodney Leisle RFA
DE - Charles Grant 2007 Franchise Tag
DE - Josh Cooper signed or exclusive rights
MLB - Mark Simoneau
SLB - Alfred Fincher
CB - DeJuan Groce
CB - Fred Thomas
S - Steve Gleason

2009 FA
WR - Marques Colston
TE - Mark Campbell
RT - Jon Stinchcomb
RT - Zach Strief
OG - Jahri Evans
DE - Rob Ninkovich
DT - Willie Whitehead
DT - Antwan Lake
CB - Jason Craft
KR - Michael Lewis
P - Steve Weatherford

2012 will be Big bucks
QB - Drew Brees
RB - Reggie Bush
LT - Jammal Brown

Oh yeah welcome visegripp

CheramieIII · 05-12-2007, 10:45 AM

Pittman was selected because of his value on the board at the time and the fact that Stecker is getting up there in age.

Neither Pittman or Bush could take the pounding like Deuce can. Deuce is our every down back.

ScottF · 05-12-2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Wait and see. I do not think Pittman is going to hurt Duce at all. We needed a RB for the rotation. Pittman fell into our laps. Why would the saints weaken a rotation that needed to upgrade? Besides with the cap increase over the next few years make his contract less of an issue. We looked at the figures when he signed and thought it was a lot. But looking into the future now it is not so bad. Just like Grants. You have have to get over the loaded front ends first. Next year is going to be interest with

2012 will be Big bucks
QB - Drew Brees
RB - Reggie Bush
LT - Jammal Brown

Oh yeah welcome visegripp

Isn't Deuce signed until 2011?

LongTimeFan · 05-12-2007, 12:39 PM

Welcome to the BlackandGold Vise.....

IMO Deuce isn't going to leave the Saints anytime soon, Pittman will never be an every down back, something you must have in the NFL, as said Bush can't take the punishment by playing every down where Deuce has proved that he can..
Coach Payton knows a good thing when he sees it, we all know that Deuce plays a huge part in the Saints success , Saints camp will figure out a way to hold on to the Deuce..

If you have any questions vise about the site please ask...

05-11-2007, 10:37 PM	#1
visegripp Rookie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2	worried about the future of deuce hey guys, I just joined and this is my 1st post. Its great to chat with hard core black and gold fans who in my opinion seem very knowledgeable of the sport. I am a second yr season ticket holder from minden La. and have been a fan since my dad took me to his buddies house to watch games since i was six. (im 27) I have a bad feeling deuce may not be with us much longer if he doesnt continue to play at a high level. I will give you my reasons and would love to get you feedback. (I am a huge fan and dont want to loose deuce but hears my points. (1) the drafting of pittman. Now this all depends on if pittman can prove he can be a inside effective runner IF he can. Because we got him in the forth round, we will have him at a cheap price for a few yrs depending on his progression. (2) the grant signing. although im glad we got grant signed, because of the big #, its going to make smiths price even more. Maybe 6 yrs 70 million. (3) others to sign and current big contracts brees -6 yrs 60 million grant 7 yrs 63 million bush 6 yrs 62 million smith ? colston- wont play long under small contract brown-will want huge money and teams will willing fork over the dough (4) deuce carries a huge number left on his new deal and has had one major injury and a history of many. (5) although payton loves having a back with deuces talent and ability for a inside bruiser, I get the feeling his long term plan will be to get a poor mans deuce alla pittman and use his big cap number in other places. just my opinion on the way I see the future playing out, what do you guys think?
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05-11-2007, 10:42 PM	#2
BleedBlack&Gold Registered Join Date: May 2007 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 45	this is the take Pittman cant hold Deuce's Jock, (at the moment). He will be a good 3rd back but thats it. He comes from a week Big Ten. And those lineman were opening holes granny could push her own wheelchair through. Its a money move and also a fresher pair of legs. Steckler was not able to do a lot because of limited ability but Pittman at a younger age will be servicable for insurance purposes and possible trade bait in 2 years

05-11-2007, 11:39 PM	#4
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Welcome to the true BLACK & GOLD NATION. First of all, the Deuce is not going anywhere, I repeat ANYWHERE! If anything C. Grant would be the logical choice, just hear me out. Let's start with one of the best DE in Saints history, Pat Swilling, he begot Renaldo Turnbull which in turn begot Joe Johnson which brought fourth Darren Howard who sprung fourth Charles Grant, and last but definitely not lest we have Will Smith. See the pattern? Every one of those guys signed huge contracts and when the second guy in line signed his the first guy eventually ended up somewhere else. I'm not saying that that is going to happen, but the pattern is definitely there. P.S. Forgive me for the biblical text, but the GREYGOOSE got me buzzin', and if I left any of our awesome DE's out, I apologize
	saint4life (504)

05-12-2007, 09:18 AM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by D24pick Deuce is safe for a maxium of two years with us to me. He's starting to age and will want big bucks. We cannot have two Franchise RBs on our team, and one will have to go. Likely Deuce, he'll go for something, that'll give us some cap room First, he's 28, the prime of most RB's careers. 2nd, they are completely different backs, and no way Pittman is ready for Deuce's workload in 2008. Do we really want Reggie running between the tackles, taking all of those hits for 4 yards? 3rd Deuce isn't Bentley, Howard, or Horn. He has roots in NO (Emeril just gave his foundation $500,000) and a sense of loyalty. He knows his role and is a class act.

05-12-2007, 10:08 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Wait and see. I do not think Pittman is going to hurt Duce at all. We needed a RB for the rotation. Pittman fell into our laps. Why would the saints weaken a rotation that needed to upgrade? Besides with the cap increase over the next few years make his contract less of an issue. We looked at the figures when he signed and thought it was a lot. But looking into the future now it is not so bad. Just like Grants. You have have to get over the loaded front ends first. Next year is going to be interest with all the FA we are going to have. FA in 2008 QB - Jamie Martin RB - Aaron Stecker FB - Keith Joseph signed or exclusive-rights WR - Devery Henderson WR - Terrance Copper RFA WR - Jamal Jones signed or exclusive-rights TE - Billy Miller TE - Eric Johnson TE - John Owens Signed or Exclusive Rights C/G - Jonathan Goodwin G - Jamar Nesbit G - Augie Hoffman signed or exclusive rights T - Rob Petitti signed or exclusive rights T - Chad Setterstrom signed or exclusive rights DT - Brian Young DT - Rodney Leisle RFA DE - Charles Grant 2007 Franchise Tag DE - Josh Cooper signed or exclusive rights MLB - Mark Simoneau SLB - Alfred Fincher CB - DeJuan Groce CB - Fred Thomas S - Steve Gleason 2009 FA WR - Marques Colston TE - Mark Campbell RT - Jon Stinchcomb RT - Zach Strief OG - Jahri Evans DE - Rob Ninkovich DT - Willie Whitehead DT - Antwan Lake CB - Jason Craft KR - Michael Lewis P - Steve Weatherford 2012 will be Big bucks QB - Drew Brees RB - Reggie Bush LT - Jammal Brown Oh yeah welcome visegripp
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05-11-2007, 10:49 PM	#3
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	First, welcome to the board. Second, I don't see Deuce leaving anytime soon. Sure there's a lot of money flowing around but the salary cap goes up each year. As for Pittman, I see him as a third down back and a breather for Deuce and Reggie. Pittman has a lot to prove in the NFL. He hasn't even played the first play yet. From what I saw last year at training camp, he might not even make the team. I think he will but you never know.

05-12-2007, 12:47 AM	#5
D24pick 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 578	Deuce is safe for a maxium of two years with us to me. He's starting to age and will want big bucks. We cannot have two Franchise RBs on our team, and one will have to go. Likely Deuce, he'll go for something, that'll give us some cap room

05-12-2007, 10:45 AM	#8
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Pittman was selected because of his value on the board at the time and the fact that Stecker is getting up there in age. Neither Pittman or Bush could take the pounding like Deuce can. Deuce is our every down back.

05-12-2007, 12:01 PM	#9
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by hagan714 Wait and see. I do not think Pittman is going to hurt Duce at all. We needed a RB for the rotation. Pittman fell into our laps. Why would the saints weaken a rotation that needed to upgrade? Besides with the cap increase over the next few years make his contract less of an issue. We looked at the figures when he signed and thought it was a lot. But looking into the future now it is not so bad. Just like Grants. You have have to get over the loaded front ends first. Next year is going to be interest with 2012 will be Big bucks QB - Drew Brees RB - Reggie Bush LT - Jammal Brown Oh yeah welcome visegripp Isn't Deuce signed until 2011?

05-12-2007, 12:39 PM	#10
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Welcome to the BlackandGold Vise..... IMO Deuce isn't going to leave the Saints anytime soon, Pittman will never be an every down back, something you must have in the NFL, as said Bush can't take the punishment by playing every down where Deuce has proved that he can.. Coach Payton knows a good thing when he sees it, we all know that Deuce plays a huge part in the Saints success , Saints camp will figure out a way to hold on to the Deuce.. If you have any questions vise about the site please ask...