NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL

tweeky · 07-08-2003, 03:53 PM

we played this game before, didn\'t we?

Damn, all that typing... I could have just done \"copy-paste\"
I knew it sounded familiar. I hope I was consistant

iceshack149 · 07-09-2003, 01:40 AM

buc\'n\'up you\'ve gotta be kidding. Kordell and the Bears? The VIKINGS? Skins?

Spurrier has an offensive mind and is it me, but do the Skins have an awful lot of stars on their defense?

The skins have had \"stars\" on thier defense since deon and didn\'t do anything with it even when they had Marv Lewis leading them.
And \"Their offense is offensive\" as Peyton Manning put it.

The Bears? What Bears? The Bears that played a tough schedule and showed us all that they weren\'t all that great after all? Including spotting the Saints twenty points and losing it in the end? How different are they from last year? Kordell. Wow. He\'s the difference.

The Vikings? One receiver, a questionable line, a good qb and not much of a defense. Oh yeah, the Pack has no chance.

I read these posts between you and my blackandgold bretheren and am always shocked at the lack of understanding that you have for this wonderful game of football.
Your team is currently on top but once this season starts it\'s all brand new. You\'re not champs of this season. The Yucks are champs of last season.

This is the Saints forum, brothers. Step aside and respect the black and gold.

BucNup · 07-09-2003, 06:17 AM

buc\'n\'up you\'ve gotta be kidding. Kordell and the Bears? The VIKINGS? Skins?

Spurrier has an offensive mind and is it me, but do the Skins have an awful lot of stars on their defense?

The skins have had \"stars\" on thier defense since deon and didn\'t do anything with it even when they had Marv Lewis leading them.
And \"Their offense is offensive\" as Peyton Manning put it.

The Bears? What Bears? The Bears that played a tough schedule and showed us all that they weren\'t all that great after all? Including spotting the Saints twenty points and losing it in the end? How different are they from last year? Kordell. Wow. He\'s the difference.

The Vikings? One receiver, a questionable line, a good qb and not much of a defense. Oh yeah, the Pack has no chance.

I read these posts between you and my blackandgold bretheren and am always shocked at the lack of understanding that you have for this wonderful game of football.
Your team is currently on top but once this season starts it\'s all brand new. You\'re not champs of this season. The Yucks are champs of last season.

This is the Saints forum, brothers. Step aside and respect the black and gold.

It seems that every word I type gets placed under the microscope? So off all of the topics to reply to, you had to pick that one, huh? Well, IT\'S ALL GOOD.....

Is a man not entitled to make a comment, regardless to how far fetched someone thinks it may be (INSERT YOUR NAME HERE...)

But, I\'ll overlook your singling-out of me and simply reply in support of my comments:

Kordell and the Bears: Yes, Kordell is coming into a team that NO ONE really knows what to think about when it comes to them. They posted a 13-3 record in 2001; then laid an egg in 2002. I don\'t care about a \"tough schedule\", line-up every down and play ball. Under the circumstances, you\'d think they would return to a level of their 2001 season...... MIX IN ANOTHER SOFT SCHEDULE, and you have the makings for another BEARS in the playoffs.

Vikings: I said this too.... I\'ve watched the Vikings for 26 years, being a part of the Central. Scrap all of that stuff you are mentioning about them out of the window. Tice is earning respect from the players on a daily basis. Basically what I\'m saying is that I think the North is anyone\'s shot.....

I read these posts between you and my blackandgold bretheren and am always shocked at the lack of understanding that you have for this wonderful game of football.

Now if this isn\'t a personal attack, then I don\'t know what else would be considered an attack.....

I want to just rip into you, but I\'m trying to change my label as \"obnoxious.\" Yet the natives appear restless at calling me to arms.

Be it as it may; based on your \"shocked\" state of mind and my \"lack\" of understanding, the best thing for us to do is part ways. Meaning, YOU don\'t read my post and I\'ll just? Well, I\'ll just let you be in your shocked state of mind.

You\'re not champs of this season. The Yucks are champs of last season.

And you are not the CHAMPS OF ANY SEASON...... You had to know this reply was coming, right? I\'m SHOCKED at your lack of awareness.......

PS: The YUCKS reference is old and out dated. Got NEW?

This is the Saints forum, brothers. Step aside and respect the black and gold.

Looking around on my monitor, I think I can tell that this is a Saints Forum. And your point would be?????

Give respect to get respect. Come at me again wrong, and I get nasty.......

iceshack149 · 07-09-2003, 10:27 AM

Get nasty then. Don\'t talk about it.

Of course I\'m singling you out. You\'re a Buc fan on a Saints site. You\'re obviously looking for attention and have been looking for a war since you signed on.

I think that we both agree that everything discussed here is b.s. Everything is speculative. I honestly don\'t care if any of those teams you mentioned get into the playoffs. What I care about is the Saints. Win or lose.

If you\'ve been a Bucs fan as long as I\'ve been a Saints fan then congradulations. It\'s tough to watch a team for so long go without what you refer to as \"bling-bling\". But why go to a team\'s website other than your own and pop-off? And then get offended when someone pushes you around a little? You asked for it. This is why I attacked you.

Maybe I went too far in defiling your character. We\'re all football fans here. But if you stink up a good forum with that brash junk I get involved. This is the persona that you have created for yourself, whether you\'re behaving (lately) or not.

BlackandBlue · 07-09-2003, 11:15 AM

But why go to a team\'s website other than your own and pop-off?

Perhaps he\'s getting more interaction here than on his own site.

[Edited on 9/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

BucNup · 07-09-2003, 11:53 AM

Get nasty then. Don\'t talk about it.

Of course I\'m singling you out. You\'re a Buc fan on a Saints site. You\'re obviously looking for attention and have been looking for a war since you signed on.

I think that we both agree that everything discussed here is b.s. Everything is speculative. I honestly don\'t care if any of those teams you mentioned get into the playoffs. What I care about is the Saints. Win or lose.

If you\'ve been a Bucs fan as long as I\'ve been a Saints fan then congradulations. It\'s tough to watch a team for so long go without what you refer to as \"bling-bling\". But why go to a team\'s website other than your own and pop-off? And then get offended when someone pushes you around a little? You asked for it. This is why I attacked you.

Maybe I went too far in defiling your character. We\'re all football fans here. But if you stink up a good forum with that brash junk I get involved. This is the persona that you have created for yourself, whether you\'re behaving (lately) or not.

Look Icy,

If you want to flame then go for it, but as you claim to have read my postings, then you would have known that I didn\'t even know of this site had it not been for GatorMan. I\'m not looking for attention, nor am I looking to be singled out. The moment someone like you are presented with an OUT-of-the-BOX-HEY-I\'M-NOT-A-SAINTS-FAN, perspective, then you feel the need to cling to your Saints badge of honor. Then.....

Then when I jab you in your face with a verbal assualt, (ONE THAT I WARNED YOU ABOUT EVEN.....) Then your LOVER in battle attempts to jump in on the topic....

When he/she/it couldn\'t define for me the term HTML, SQL, or PHP..... Yet finds the time to peck away at his keyboard fat-fingering as he/she/it goes to talk about the works of others...... BRILLIANT!

I think that we both agree that everything discussed here is b.s. Everything is speculative. I honestly don\'t care if any of those teams you mentioned get into the playoffs. What I care about is the Saints. Win or lose.

DUH.... No kiddin\' in my gay impression of you: \"THIS IS A SAINTS BOARD\"

If you\'ve been a Bucs fan as long as I\'ve been a Saints fan then congradulations.

I don\'t need props from you..... I\'m standing on mine, chump.

It\'s tough to watch a team for so long go without what you refer to as \"bling-bling\". But why go to a team\'s website other than your own and pop-off?

Ask your boy GATORMAN.... Get the fact fool before you get started, it tends to make the transition much more smooth.

Maybe I went too far in defiling your character.

Don\'t you dare backpedal now, stand behind what you say. IF you don\'t I\'m sure someone else will slink to your rescue.

But if you stink up a good forum with that brash junk I get involved.

You get involved? What you you done to get involved? You are pathetic, lame and weak all rolled up into one. Big Bad ICY has gotten involved........ :heartpump:

This is the persona that you have created for yourself, whether you\'re behaving (lately) or not.

Ever heard of the word \"DEFENSE?\" Probably not, being a SAINT FAN, but that\'s what it all boils down to. I\'ve defended myself, from the intial inquiry of my being, yet you are to simple-mind as to think I\'ve come here to sprout off...... Get a clue or get lost. Can you do that for me, huh??? Can you?

BlackandBlue · 07-09-2003, 12:11 PM

Then when I jab you in your face with a verbal assault, (ONE THAT I WARNED YOU ABOUT EVEN.....) Then your LOVER in battle attempts to jump in on the topic....

You get involved? What have you done to get involved? You are pathetic, lame and weak all rolled up into one. Big Bad ICY has gotten involved

I\'ve defended myself, from the intial inquiry of my being, yet you are too simple-minded as to think I\'ve come here to spout off...... Get a clue or get lost.

There, fixed.
That hurt. Talk about \"fat-fingers\"....

[Edited on 9/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

JOESAM2002 · 07-09-2003, 12:38 PM

Everyone lighten up. I do always have the edit button. DO NOT as ya\'ll put it flame on other members. Dazzle us with brilliance, don\'t baffle us with BS. There is enough BS everywhere on the net to go around. If you want to flame each other swap email addresses and flame away. Just wanting to stop this before it goes to far. LIGHTEN UP.

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-09-2003, 01:41 PM

Look I\'m not sticking up for anyone, BUT BucNup and Batwood have kept everything as clean and honest as anyone can expect.

In my opinion, it\'s ok to say what ever you want, as long as you don\'t take it too personally.

I like hearing from rival fans and I like hearing their perspectives. I have actually learned a few things that I didn\'t know about the Bucs because I don\'t follow them as much as the Saints.

I hope that no one gets their little feelings hurt and if you do, you might want to take a deep look at yourself.

I also know that some members here might not like what I just said, and your more than welcome to hurt my feelings.

BlackandBlue · 07-09-2003, 02:36 PM

Look I\'m not sticking up for anyone, BUT BucNup and Batwood have kept everything as clean and honest as anyone can expect.

In my opinion, it\'s ok to say what ever you want, as long as you don\'t take it too personally.

I like hearing from rival fans and I like hearing their perspectives. I have actually learned a few things that I didn\'t know about the Bucs because I don\'t follow them as much as the Saints.

I hope that no one gets their little feelings hurt and if you do, you might want to take a deep look at yourself.

I also know that some members here might not like what I just said, and your more than welcome to hurt my feelings.

I think the problem is that they came through here with all the grace and charisma of a bucket of buttholes. There has been this underlying theme, which has resulted in negative attitudes across the board. The gloating and the braggadocios behavior, which is fine, except that nearly every conversation results in ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“nanny nanny boo boo, we got the trophy.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? ThatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s perfectly fine, you guys are the champs until you are knocked off next year. Yeah, weÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢re sore that you guys won it all and the Saints didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t. Let me try to relate this to something else. Try walking up to a midget and telling him, ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“Hey, youÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢re a midget,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? and see what type of response you get. While you are speaking the truth, you have lost credibility in his eyes for speaking it.

07-08-2003, 03:53 PM	#11
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL we played this game before, didn\'t we? Damn, all that typing... I could have just done \"copy-paste\" I knew it sounded familiar. I hope I was consistant

07-09-2003, 01:40 AM	#12
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,087 Blog Entries: 1	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL buc\'n\'up you\'ve gotta be kidding. Kordell and the Bears? The VIKINGS? Skins? Spurrier has an offensive mind and is it me, but do the Skins have an awful lot of stars on their defense? The skins have had \"stars\" on thier defense since deon and didn\'t do anything with it even when they had Marv Lewis leading them. And \"Their offense is offensive\" as Peyton Manning put it. The Bears? What Bears? The Bears that played a tough schedule and showed us all that they weren\'t all that great after all? Including spotting the Saints twenty points and losing it in the end? How different are they from last year? Kordell. Wow. He\'s the difference. The Vikings? One receiver, a questionable line, a good qb and not much of a defense. Oh yeah, the Pack has no chance. I read these posts between you and my blackandgold bretheren and am always shocked at the lack of understanding that you have for this wonderful game of football. Your team is currently on top but once this season starts it\'s all brand new. You\'re not champs of this season. The Yucks are champs of last season. This is the Saints forum, brothers. Step aside and respect the black and gold.
	"...it's good to have friends, no matter where they are."--JOESAM2002

07-09-2003, 06:17 AM	#13
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL buc\'n\'up you\'ve gotta be kidding. Kordell and the Bears? The VIKINGS? Skins? Spurrier has an offensive mind and is it me, but do the Skins have an awful lot of stars on their defense? The skins have had \"stars\" on thier defense since deon and didn\'t do anything with it even when they had Marv Lewis leading them. And \"Their offense is offensive\" as Peyton Manning put it. The Bears? What Bears? The Bears that played a tough schedule and showed us all that they weren\'t all that great after all? Including spotting the Saints twenty points and losing it in the end? How different are they from last year? Kordell. Wow. He\'s the difference. The Vikings? One receiver, a questionable line, a good qb and not much of a defense. Oh yeah, the Pack has no chance. I read these posts between you and my blackandgold bretheren and am always shocked at the lack of understanding that you have for this wonderful game of football. Your team is currently on top but once this season starts it\'s all brand new. You\'re not champs of this season. The Yucks are champs of last season. This is the Saints forum, brothers. Step aside and respect the black and gold. It seems that every word I type gets placed under the microscope? So off all of the topics to reply to, you had to pick that one, huh? Well, IT\'S ALL GOOD..... Is a man not entitled to make a comment, regardless to how far fetched someone thinks it may be (INSERT YOUR NAME HERE...) But, I\'ll overlook your singling-out of me and simply reply in support of my comments: Kordell and the Bears: Yes, Kordell is coming into a team that NO ONE really knows what to think about when it comes to them. They posted a 13-3 record in 2001; then laid an egg in 2002. I don\'t care about a \"tough schedule\", line-up every down and play ball. Under the circumstances, you\'d think they would return to a level of their 2001 season...... MIX IN ANOTHER SOFT SCHEDULE, and you have the makings for another BEARS in the playoffs. Vikings: I said this too.... I\'ve watched the Vikings for 26 years, being a part of the Central. Scrap all of that stuff you are mentioning about them out of the window. Tice is earning respect from the players on a daily basis. Basically what I\'m saying is that I think the North is anyone\'s shot..... I read these posts between you and my blackandgold bretheren and am always shocked at the lack of understanding that you have for this wonderful game of football. Now if this isn\'t a personal attack, then I don\'t know what else would be considered an attack..... I want to just rip into you, but I\'m trying to change my label as \"obnoxious.\" Yet the natives appear restless at calling me to arms. Be it as it may; based on your \"shocked\" state of mind and my \"lack\" of understanding, the best thing for us to do is part ways. Meaning, YOU don\'t read my post and I\'ll just? Well, I\'ll just let you be in your shocked state of mind. You\'re not champs of this season. The Yucks are champs of last season. And you are not the CHAMPS OF ANY SEASON...... You had to know this reply was coming, right? I\'m SHOCKED at your lack of awareness....... PS: The YUCKS reference is old and out dated. Got NEW? This is the Saints forum, brothers. Step aside and respect the black and gold. Looking around on my monitor, I think I can tell that this is a Saints Forum. And your point would be????? Give respect to get respect. Come at me again wrong, and I get nasty.......
	Week 9: Saints vs. Bucs http://www.bucnup.com/SBXXXVII.bmp

07-09-2003, 10:27 AM	#14
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,087 Blog Entries: 1	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL Get nasty then. Don\'t talk about it. Of course I\'m singling you out. You\'re a Buc fan on a Saints site. You\'re obviously looking for attention and have been looking for a war since you signed on. I think that we both agree that everything discussed here is b.s. Everything is speculative. I honestly don\'t care if any of those teams you mentioned get into the playoffs. What I care about is the Saints. Win or lose. If you\'ve been a Bucs fan as long as I\'ve been a Saints fan then congradulations. It\'s tough to watch a team for so long go without what you refer to as \"bling-bling\". But why go to a team\'s website other than your own and pop-off? And then get offended when someone pushes you around a little? You asked for it. This is why I attacked you. Maybe I went too far in defiling your character. We\'re all football fans here. But if you stink up a good forum with that brash junk I get involved. This is the persona that you have created for yourself, whether you\'re behaving (lately) or not.
	"...it's good to have friends, no matter where they are."--JOESAM2002

07-09-2003, 11:15 AM	#15
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL But why go to a team\'s website other than your own and pop-off? Perhaps he\'s getting more interaction here than on his own site. [Edited on 9/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

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07-09-2003, 11:53 AM	#16
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL Get nasty then. Don\'t talk about it. Of course I\'m singling you out. You\'re a Buc fan on a Saints site. You\'re obviously looking for attention and have been looking for a war since you signed on. I think that we both agree that everything discussed here is b.s. Everything is speculative. I honestly don\'t care if any of those teams you mentioned get into the playoffs. What I care about is the Saints. Win or lose. If you\'ve been a Bucs fan as long as I\'ve been a Saints fan then congradulations. It\'s tough to watch a team for so long go without what you refer to as \"bling-bling\". But why go to a team\'s website other than your own and pop-off? And then get offended when someone pushes you around a little? You asked for it. This is why I attacked you. Maybe I went too far in defiling your character. We\'re all football fans here. But if you stink up a good forum with that brash junk I get involved. This is the persona that you have created for yourself, whether you\'re behaving (lately) or not. Look Icy, If you want to flame then go for it, but as you claim to have read my postings, then you would have known that I didn\'t even know of this site had it not been for GatorMan. I\'m not looking for attention, nor am I looking to be singled out. The moment someone like you are presented with an OUT-of-the-BOX-HEY-I\'M-NOT-A-SAINTS-FAN, perspective, then you feel the need to cling to your Saints badge of honor. Then..... Then when I jab you in your face with a verbal assualt, (ONE THAT I WARNED YOU ABOUT EVEN.....) Then your LOVER in battle attempts to jump in on the topic.... When he/she/it couldn\'t define for me the term HTML, SQL, or PHP..... Yet finds the time to peck away at his keyboard fat-fingering as he/she/it goes to talk about the works of others...... BRILLIANT! I think that we both agree that everything discussed here is b.s. Everything is speculative. I honestly don\'t care if any of those teams you mentioned get into the playoffs. What I care about is the Saints. Win or lose. DUH.... No kiddin\' in my gay impression of you: \"THIS IS A SAINTS BOARD\" If you\'ve been a Bucs fan as long as I\'ve been a Saints fan then congradulations. I don\'t need props from you..... I\'m standing on mine, chump. It\'s tough to watch a team for so long go without what you refer to as \"bling-bling\". But why go to a team\'s website other than your own and pop-off? Ask your boy GATORMAN.... Get the fact fool before you get started, it tends to make the transition much more smooth. Maybe I went too far in defiling your character. Don\'t you dare backpedal now, stand behind what you say. IF you don\'t I\'m sure someone else will slink to your rescue. But if you stink up a good forum with that brash junk I get involved. You get involved? What you you done to get involved? You are pathetic, lame and weak all rolled up into one. Big Bad ICY has gotten involved........ :heartpump: This is the persona that you have created for yourself, whether you\'re behaving (lately) or not. Ever heard of the word \"DEFENSE?\" Probably not, being a SAINT FAN, but that\'s what it all boils down to. I\'ve defended myself, from the intial inquiry of my being, yet you are to simple-mind as to think I\'ve come here to sprout off...... Get a clue or get lost. Can you do that for me, huh??? Can you?
	Week 9: Saints vs. Bucs http://www.bucnup.com/SBXXXVII.bmp

07-09-2003, 12:11 PM	#17
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL Then when I jab you in your face with a verbal assault, (ONE THAT I WARNED YOU ABOUT EVEN.....) Then your LOVER in battle attempts to jump in on the topic.... You get involved? What have you done to get involved? You are pathetic, lame and weak all rolled up into one. Big Bad ICY has gotten involved I\'ve defended myself, from the intial inquiry of my being, yet you are too simple-minded as to think I\'ve come here to spout off...... Get a clue or get lost. There, fixed. That hurt. Talk about \"fat-fingers\".... [Edited on 9/7/2003 by BlackandBlue]

07-09-2003, 12:38 PM	#18
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL Everyone lighten up. I do always have the edit button. DO NOT as ya\'ll put it flame on other members. Dazzle us with brilliance, don\'t baffle us with BS. There is enough BS everywhere on the net to go around. If you want to flame each other swap email addresses and flame away. Just wanting to stop this before it goes to far. LIGHTEN UP.

07-09-2003, 01:41 PM	#19
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL Look I\'m not sticking up for anyone, BUT BucNup and Batwood have kept everything as clean and honest as anyone can expect. In my opinion, it\'s ok to say what ever you want, as long as you don\'t take it too personally. I like hearing from rival fans and I like hearing their perspectives. I have actually learned a few things that I didn\'t know about the Bucs because I don\'t follow them as much as the Saints. I hope that no one gets their little feelings hurt and if you do, you might want to take a deep look at yourself. I also know that some members here might not like what I just said, and your more than welcome to hurt my feelings.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

07-09-2003, 02:36 PM	#20
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	NFC south figures to be toughest division in the NFL Look I\'m not sticking up for anyone, BUT BucNup and Batwood have kept everything as clean and honest as anyone can expect. In my opinion, it\'s ok to say what ever you want, as long as you don\'t take it too personally. I like hearing from rival fans and I like hearing their perspectives. I have actually learned a few things that I didn\'t know about the Bucs because I don\'t follow them as much as the Saints. I hope that no one gets their little feelings hurt and if you do, you might want to take a deep look at yourself. I also know that some members here might not like what I just said, and your more than welcome to hurt my feelings. I think the problem is that they came through here with all the grace and charisma of a bucket of buttholes. There has been this underlying theme, which has resulted in negative attitudes across the board. The gloating and the braggadocios behavior, which is fine, except that nearly every conversation results in ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“nanny nanny boo boo, we got the trophy.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? ThatÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s perfectly fine, you guys are the champs until you are knocked off next year. Yeah, weÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢re sore that you guys won it all and the Saints didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t. Let me try to relate this to something else. Try walking up to a midget and telling him, ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“Hey, youÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢re a midget,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? and see what type of response you get. While you are speaking the truth, you have lost credibility in his eyes for speaking it.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?