anyone seen this....

CHACHING · 05-29-2007, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

How in God's name can you guys wish bad things on players that are no longer with us? That's just plain bad. These guys gave us a lot and now you want them hurt. That's just sick!

That's what I was thinking..
not cool at all....

BTW..I think it was a clean hit.

D24pick · 05-29-2007, 03:04 PM

well it may not have been deliberate, but it was illegal, cause he got flagged for it.

saintsfan1976 · 05-29-2007, 03:10 PM

I wasn't going to touch this one, but seriously.... let's stop the nit-picking about legal or illegal and wishing bad things on other players.... I think the point of this video was for people to "oooh" and "ahhh" over a very hard and borderline bad play. I would be ticked if KK was flagged for that play as a Saint, but I'm glad to see some aggressiveness (although not smart) from our newest safety.

BoudinSandwich · 05-29-2007, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

anyone who doesn't appreciate that hit doesn't like football. Whether he got a flag or not, he ended up saying a HUGE gain and did his job. Relieved the wr from the ball. Looked like good DB play to me. I am biased because I played corner. I mean, what do you want the kid to do? Stop in mid air and relocated his hitting point? This kid has NEVER been a dirty player. The difference between a flabable play and a clean play can be a matter of inches. And when you're running full bore, that window is even smaller. Flagged or not, he did his job and loved the way he did it. I only wish Bullocks would get more physical. He certainly wasn't last year.

Good post, completley right. What is he supposed to do, let him catch the ball? Try to push him over from the side, possibly miss the angle, and let the guy run for a TD. There's no better way to defend it than what he did. It sucked that he got a penalty, but you can't blame him for it. That's the way it goes sometimes.

It's good to see he's not scared to get infront of someone who's running full speed.

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 03:25 PM

What do you mean he stopped a huge gain... did you not see the flag??? 15 yards, personal foul. 15 yards on any play much less against the Pats is a huge give up. When you say "anyone", its to general and open a whole can of debate. I like football and love football but you can't like accept the hit if it draws a penalty or why not take a gun onto the field and shoot the QBs as soon as they recieve the hike? I mean you're taking out the QB right who cares if its illegal?

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 03:35 PM

Just because a flag was thrown does not mean the play was illegal. Both players were in the air and Kevin lead with his shoulders and not his helmet. this should end that argument ONCE AND FOR ALL!

"Caldwell remained on the ground for several minutes after the hit, before getting to his feet and walking off the field. The play drew a penalty for a personal foul even though the reply showed it appeared to be a legal, but brutal hit. "

http://www.fantasyplaymakers.com/pla...n/fname/Kevin/

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 03:49 PM

The Penalty is "uneccisary roughness a blow to the head"... this doesn't not have to be helmet to helmet, nor do you have to lead with the helmet. -illegal.

The second slow motion shot also clearly shows helmet to helmet contact.

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 03:53 PM

He was not fined, Ted Bruschi said he thought it was legal, every form of media believed it to be an innocent and legal, although brutal, hit. I didn't post this to have a discussion on if it was right or wrong the post is to show the facts on this kid.....He has a motor and is not afraid to hit someone which a few of our DBs are known for trying to arm tackle rather than smack down too many times.

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 04:03 PM

Well its posted and leaves it up for debate.

The hit clearly shows helmet to helmet and even the announcers point it out. Just because a players isn't fined doesn't make it legal... also who cares what TED? whatever... the footage shows helmet to helmet/or blow to the head.

Its an illegal hit. 15 yards and an automatic first down. Call stands.

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 04:40 PM

A helmet to helmet hit gets further review and if it is seen as a deliberate ILLEGAL hit, that person is fined. That did NOT happen. Ted Bruschi is the great NE LB (Yes a defensive player for the team who's player was knocked.) That is why it makes a difference. Refs get many calls wrong (We know this. We are Saints fans.), but when the NFL gets their hands on the tape they don't get it wrong.

05-29-2007, 02:56 PM	#11
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 How in God's name can you guys wish bad things on players that are no longer with us? That's just plain bad. These guys gave us a lot and now you want them hurt. That's just sick! That's what I was thinking.. not cool at all.... BTW..I think it was a clean hit.

05-29-2007, 03:23 PM	#14
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	Originally Posted by saintsmissile anyone who doesn't appreciate that hit doesn't like football. Whether he got a flag or not, he ended up saying a HUGE gain and did his job. Relieved the wr from the ball. Looked like good DB play to me. I am biased because I played corner. I mean, what do you want the kid to do? Stop in mid air and relocated his hitting point? This kid has NEVER been a dirty player. The difference between a flabable play and a clean play can be a matter of inches. And when you're running full bore, that window is even smaller. Flagged or not, he did his job and loved the way he did it. I only wish Bullocks would get more physical. He certainly wasn't last year. Good post, completley right. What is he supposed to do, let him catch the ball? Try to push him over from the side, possibly miss the angle, and let the guy run for a TD. There's no better way to defend it than what he did. It sucked that he got a penalty, but you can't blame him for it. That's the way it goes sometimes. It's good to see he's not scared to get infront of someone who's running full speed.

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05-29-2007, 03:04 PM	#12
D24pick 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 578	well it may not have been deliberate, but it was illegal, cause he got flagged for it.

05-29-2007, 03:10 PM	#13
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	I wasn't going to touch this one, but seriously.... let's stop the nit-picking about legal or illegal and wishing bad things on other players.... I think the point of this video was for people to "oooh" and "ahhh" over a very hard and borderline bad play. I would be ticked if KK was flagged for that play as a Saint, but I'm glad to see some aggressiveness (although not smart) from our newest safety.

05-29-2007, 03:25 PM	#15
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	What do you mean he stopped a huge gain... did you not see the flag??? 15 yards, personal foul. 15 yards on any play much less against the Pats is a huge give up. When you say "anyone", its to general and open a whole can of debate. I like football and love football but you can't like accept the hit if it draws a penalty or why not take a gun onto the field and shoot the QBs as soon as they recieve the hike? I mean you're taking out the QB right who cares if its illegal?

05-29-2007, 03:35 PM	#16
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Just because a flag was thrown does not mean the play was illegal. Both players were in the air and Kevin lead with his shoulders and not his helmet. this should end that argument ONCE AND FOR ALL! "Caldwell remained on the ground for several minutes after the hit, before getting to his feet and walking off the field. The play drew a penalty for a personal foul even though the reply showed it appeared to be a legal, but brutal hit. " http://www.fantasyplaymakers.com/pla...n/fname/Kevin/

05-29-2007, 03:49 PM	#17
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	The Penalty is "uneccisary roughness a blow to the head"... this doesn't not have to be helmet to helmet, nor do you have to lead with the helmet. -illegal. The second slow motion shot also clearly shows helmet to helmet contact.

05-29-2007, 03:53 PM	#18
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	He was not fined, Ted Bruschi said he thought it was legal, every form of media believed it to be an innocent and legal, although brutal, hit. I didn't post this to have a discussion on if it was right or wrong the post is to show the facts on this kid.....He has a motor and is not afraid to hit someone which a few of our DBs are known for trying to arm tackle rather than smack down too many times.

05-29-2007, 04:03 PM	#19
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Well its posted and leaves it up for debate. The hit clearly shows helmet to helmet and even the announcers point it out. Just because a players isn't fined doesn't make it legal... also who cares what TED? whatever... the footage shows helmet to helmet/or blow to the head. Its an illegal hit. 15 yards and an automatic first down. Call stands.

05-29-2007, 04:40 PM	#20
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	A helmet to helmet hit gets further review and if it is seen as a deliberate ILLEGAL hit, that person is fined. That did NOT happen. Ted Bruschi is the great NE LB (Yes a defensive player for the team who's player was knocked.) That is why it makes a difference. Refs get many calls wrong (We know this. We are Saints fans.), but when the NFL gets their hands on the tape they don't get it wrong.