anyone seen this....

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 02:25 PM

What do you mean he stopped a huge gain... did you not see the flag??? 15 yards, personal foul. 15 yards on any play much less against the Pats is a huge give up. When you say "anyone", its to general and open a whole can of debate. I like football and love football but you can't like accept the hit if it draws a penalty or why not take a gun onto the field and shoot the QBs as soon as they recieve the hike? I mean you're taking out the QB right who cares if its illegal?

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 02:35 PM

Just because a flag was thrown does not mean the play was illegal. Both players were in the air and Kevin lead with his shoulders and not his helmet. this should end that argument ONCE AND FOR ALL!

"Caldwell remained on the ground for several minutes after the hit, before getting to his feet and walking off the field. The play drew a penalty for a personal foul even though the reply showed it appeared to be a legal, but brutal hit. "

http://www.fantasyplaymakers.com/pla...n/fname/Kevin/

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 02:49 PM

The Penalty is "uneccisary roughness a blow to the head"... this doesn't not have to be helmet to helmet, nor do you have to lead with the helmet. -illegal.

The second slow motion shot also clearly shows helmet to helmet contact.

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 02:53 PM

He was not fined, Ted Bruschi said he thought it was legal, every form of media believed it to be an innocent and legal, although brutal, hit. I didn't post this to have a discussion on if it was right or wrong the post is to show the facts on this kid.....He has a motor and is not afraid to hit someone which a few of our DBs are known for trying to arm tackle rather than smack down too many times.

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 03:03 PM

Well its posted and leaves it up for debate.

The hit clearly shows helmet to helmet and even the announcers point it out. Just because a players isn't fined doesn't make it legal... also who cares what TED? whatever... the footage shows helmet to helmet/or blow to the head.

Its an illegal hit. 15 yards and an automatic first down. Call stands.

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 03:40 PM

A helmet to helmet hit gets further review and if it is seen as a deliberate ILLEGAL hit, that person is fined. That did NOT happen. Ted Bruschi is the great NE LB (Yes a defensive player for the team who's player was knocked.) That is why it makes a difference. Refs get many calls wrong (We know this. We are Saints fans.), but when the NFL gets their hands on the tape they don't get it wrong.

ScottyRo · 05-29-2007, 03:40 PM

It looked legal to me. He lead with his shoulder and there was incidental helmet to helmet contact. Not all helmet to helmet contact is illegal. If it were they'd never finish a game because there are multiple helmet to helmet contacts on EVERY play.

The fact is that this was another of those penalties that were thrown because of what the refs thought they saw rather than what actually happened. The replay clearly shows shoulder first contact. Otherwise, the WR had both feet on the ground so you can't say he was defenseless. If it had been the Saints rather than the Patriots that was on offense the flag would likely have been picked up and the ball ruled fumbled.

Euphoria · 05-29-2007, 03:49 PM

AGAIN... the penalty charged is "UNECCASARY ROUGHNESS, A BLOW TO THE HEAD" It doesn't have to be helmet to helmet. Its clearly a blow to the head. -15 yards penalty!!! Is anyone watching the same footage and listening to it???

You don't have to get fined by in order for the hit to be legal or not... you don't get fined for being offsides.

mighty12 · 05-29-2007, 03:54 PM

offsides is also not an ILLEGAL HIT! The argument is done. Watch the footage and enjoy

05-29-2007, 02:25 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	What do you mean he stopped a huge gain... did you not see the flag??? 15 yards, personal foul. 15 yards on any play much less against the Pats is a huge give up. When you say "anyone", its to general and open a whole can of debate. I like football and love football but you can't like accept the hit if it draws a penalty or why not take a gun onto the field and shoot the QBs as soon as they recieve the hike? I mean you're taking out the QB right who cares if its illegal?

05-29-2007, 02:35 PM	#2
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Just because a flag was thrown does not mean the play was illegal. Both players were in the air and Kevin lead with his shoulders and not his helmet. this should end that argument ONCE AND FOR ALL! "Caldwell remained on the ground for several minutes after the hit, before getting to his feet and walking off the field. The play drew a penalty for a personal foul even though the reply showed it appeared to be a legal, but brutal hit. " http://www.fantasyplaymakers.com/pla...n/fname/Kevin/

05-29-2007, 02:49 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	The Penalty is "uneccisary roughness a blow to the head"... this doesn't not have to be helmet to helmet, nor do you have to lead with the helmet. -illegal. The second slow motion shot also clearly shows helmet to helmet contact.

05-29-2007, 02:53 PM	#4
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	He was not fined, Ted Bruschi said he thought it was legal, every form of media believed it to be an innocent and legal, although brutal, hit. I didn't post this to have a discussion on if it was right or wrong the post is to show the facts on this kid.....He has a motor and is not afraid to hit someone which a few of our DBs are known for trying to arm tackle rather than smack down too many times.

05-29-2007, 03:03 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Well its posted and leaves it up for debate. The hit clearly shows helmet to helmet and even the announcers point it out. Just because a players isn't fined doesn't make it legal... also who cares what TED? whatever... the footage shows helmet to helmet/or blow to the head. Its an illegal hit. 15 yards and an automatic first down. Call stands.

05-29-2007, 03:40 PM	#6
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	A helmet to helmet hit gets further review and if it is seen as a deliberate ILLEGAL hit, that person is fined. That did NOT happen. Ted Bruschi is the great NE LB (Yes a defensive player for the team who's player was knocked.) That is why it makes a difference. Refs get many calls wrong (We know this. We are Saints fans.), but when the NFL gets their hands on the tape they don't get it wrong.

05-29-2007, 03:40 PM	#7
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	It looked legal to me. He lead with his shoulder and there was incidental helmet to helmet contact. Not all helmet to helmet contact is illegal. If it were they'd never finish a game because there are multiple helmet to helmet contacts on EVERY play. The fact is that this was another of those penalties that were thrown because of what the refs thought they saw rather than what actually happened. The replay clearly shows shoulder first contact. Otherwise, the WR had both feet on the ground so you can't say he was defenseless. If it had been the Saints rather than the Patriots that was on offense the flag would likely have been picked up and the ball ruled fumbled.

05-29-2007, 03:49 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	AGAIN... the penalty charged is "UNECCASARY ROUGHNESS, A BLOW TO THE HEAD" It doesn't have to be helmet to helmet. Its clearly a blow to the head. -15 yards penalty!!! Is anyone watching the same footage and listening to it??? You don't have to get fined by in order for the hit to be legal or not... you don't get fined for being offsides.

05-29-2007, 03:54 PM	#9
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	offsides is also not an ILLEGAL HIT! The argument is done. Watch the footage and enjoy