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blacksaint · 06-20-2007, 09:23 PM

I posted this mainly for a couple of reasons; first, look at Drew Brees numbers specifically 19 wins, 7.58 Yds/Att, .644 Pct., 7,994 Yards, +24 TD/INT, Intangibles 9, and age 28. Now look at Brady and Manning's numbers, compare all three QB'S and if you want to point at one main reason the Saints will soon win the Superbowl, it's having one of the best QBs in the league. Throw in Palmer, Bulger, and Hasselbeck, Drew Brees still ranks as the third best QB in the league, ranking higher than Palmer IMO, because he carried his team to Conference Championship Game. Second, what makes this special is those numbers are for the last two years combined. What people tend to over look is the fact that Drew Brees accumulated those numbers with two different teams a situation none of the other top five QBs had to endure. Brees being so young 28, and with a coach who trust and believes in him, I think he's destined someday to be named number 1 QB in the league, MVP, and Superbowl Champion.

mighty12 · 06-21-2007, 08:14 AM

I believe that if Brees has just as good a season as last year and we go on to win the Superbowl(That is a stipulation) He WILL be seen as the number one QB in the league, just because he would have gotten the ring. Manning was always seen as number two to Tom Brady because he didn't have a ring, and now he stepped up one slot in that ladder. Does it mean he wasn't better than Brady? NO! it just means the criteria for being a number ONE QB is a superbowl ring. Ask Marino. He will forever live in Elway's shadow.

blacksaint · 06-23-2007, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by mighty12

I believe that if Brees has just as good a season as last year and we go on to win the Superbowl(That is a stipulation) He WILL be seen as the number one QB in the league, just because he would have gotten the ring. Manning was always seen as number two to Tom Brady because he didn't have a ring, and now he stepped up one slot in that ladder. Does it mean he wasn't better than Brady? NO! it just means the criteria for being a number ONE QB is a superbowl ring. Ask Marino. He will forever live in Elway's shadow.

If Drew Brees have a spectacular year like he had last year, and either play in the Superbowl or win it(preferably win it), he will be look at as one of the best QBs playing the game today. But there's noway Brees will be look at as the number 1 Qb, that distinction when it's all said and done will belong to our New Orleans native Payton Manning. When Payton is done he will probably own every meaningful QB record in the NFL, and now that he have that elusive ring he can do no wrong, now don't misunderstand what I'm saying, I think if Brees can stay healthy, consistent, and in Coach Payton system for about five years with the weapons we have, Brees will no doubt be one the best in the business, even over taking Brady, but Manning is going to set that bar pretty high. You said Marino lives in Elway's shadow, but Elway will always live in the shadow of no other than Joe Montana. Payton is this generations Montana, I'm not saying he's Montana but every generation have a Montana, Elway, and a Marino, and Payton, Brady, Brees, and Palmer are the guys leading the pack. Between Brees, Brady, and Palmer, the Elway I think will be Brees, winner of multiple Championships(hopefully), but always living in that Payton shadow.

bobcat4u2 · 06-23-2007, 06:40 AM

The reason elway was in montana's shadow was joe's clutch performance's in playoff's and sb's.If drew or anyone else matches that,they will becme the leader over manning or anyone else in their generation

hagan714 · 06-23-2007, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by bobcat4u2

The reason elway was in montana's shadow was joe's clutch performance's in playoff's and sb's.If drew or anyone else matches that,they will becme the leader over manning or anyone else in their generation

Drew will be loved thats for sure.
Manning is loved and repect for completely different reasons than the ones listed here. He actually put his body one the line for team. Really! He had his chances to leave but kept signing back on with the saints and the fans. He got killed out there year in and year out. Kept coming back for more. The saints dumped all over him and sent him to the oilers of all teams after all he had done for us. This made him even more of a icon for the fan. We the fans feel we owe Him alot of extra love because of what he gave to US, THE FANS.
Sorry until someone else sacrifices as much as Archie did for this team he will never be replaced. A close second maybe but never above him. Archie stands for more than just wins and looses.

SapperSaint · 06-23-2007, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Drew will be loved thats for sure.
Manning is loved and repect for completely different reasons than the ones listed here. He actually put his body one the line for team. Really! He had his chances to leave but kept signing back on with the saints and the fans. He got killed out there year in and year out. Kept coming back for more. The saints dumped all over him and sent him to the oilers of all teams after all he had done for us. This made him even more of a icon for the fan. We the fans feel we owe Him alot of extra love because of what he gave to US, THE FANS.
Sorry until someone else sacrifices as much as Archie did for this team he will never be replaced. A close second maybe but never above him. Archie stands for more than just wins and looses.

Perfectly said Hag!

No one will be greater than Archie. If you were not alive to see him play you may not understand the true reason for the love for Archie that older fans have for him. I know I cried the day my mom threw my Archie jersey away (because I had worn it slap out). I still have my black and white photo of me (age 8, no BS) and Archie.

Don't get me wrong, with one year under Drew's belt he has become "The Saints", but he will never be Archie. That's why Drew's number is 9. (figuretively)

blacksaint · 06-23-2007, 08:14 PM

It was a discussion between Payton and Drew, no one on this forum will ever question the place in glory that Archie hold in Saints history and our hearts. But you can't tell me if Drew win about three Superbowl's he won't be on that same pedestal as Archie, trust me guys Drew would become the bench mark for every other QB to follow, like Sean Payton will become the bench mark for all coaches who follow him. When we talk about defenses we always compare them to the DOME PATROL and rightfully so, if Brees win one Superbowl in a New Orleans uniform, every QB that comes through here will be compared to Drew hands down. Archie will forever be loved and respected for what he meant to the team, the fans, the community, and the whole Gulf Region, but if Drew gets that ring, he would be worship like a god.

WhoDat205 · 06-21-2007, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

I posted this mainly for a couple of reasons; first, look at Drew Brees numbers specifically 19 wins, 7.58 Yds/Att, .644 Pct., 7,994 Yards, +24 TD/INT, Intangibles 9, and age 28. Now look at Brady and Manning's numbers, compare all three QB'S and if you want to point at one main reason the Saints will soon win the Superbowl, it's having one of the best QBs in the league. Throw in Palmer, Bulger, and Hasselbeck, Drew Brees still ranks as the third best QB in the league, ranking higher than Palmer IMO, because he carried his team to Conference Championship Game. Second, what makes this special is those numbers are for the last two years combined. What people tend to over look is the fact that Drew Brees accumulated those numbers with two different teams a situation none of the other top five QBs had to endure. Brees being so young 28, and with a coach who trust and believes in him, I think he's destined someday to be named number 1 QB in the league, MVP, and Superbowl Champion.

Couldn't agree more. When Drew first came into the league, I was sceptical mainly because he wasn't playing well (duh). After his last season with SD he proved a lot of doubters wrong, including me. When I heard the news the Saints had picked him up I remember telling my buddy "Finally, we've got a real QB."

06-20-2007, 09:23 PM	#1
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	I posted this mainly for a couple of reasons; first, look at Drew Brees numbers specifically 19 wins, 7.58 Yds/Att, .644 Pct., 7,994 Yards, +24 TD/INT, Intangibles 9, and age 28. Now look at Brady and Manning's numbers, compare all three QB'S and if you want to point at one main reason the Saints will soon win the Superbowl, it's having one of the best QBs in the league. Throw in Palmer, Bulger, and Hasselbeck, Drew Brees still ranks as the third best QB in the league, ranking higher than Palmer IMO, because he carried his team to Conference Championship Game. Second, what makes this special is those numbers are for the last two years combined. What people tend to over look is the fact that Drew Brees accumulated those numbers with two different teams a situation none of the other top five QBs had to endure. Brees being so young 28, and with a coach who trust and believes in him, I think he's destined someday to be named number 1 QB in the league, MVP, and Superbowl Champion.
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06-23-2007, 02:58 AM	#3
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Originally Posted by mighty12 I believe that if Brees has just as good a season as last year and we go on to win the Superbowl(That is a stipulation) He WILL be seen as the number one QB in the league, just because he would have gotten the ring. Manning was always seen as number two to Tom Brady because he didn't have a ring, and now he stepped up one slot in that ladder. Does it mean he wasn't better than Brady? NO! it just means the criteria for being a number ONE QB is a superbowl ring. Ask Marino. He will forever live in Elway's shadow. If Drew Brees have a spectacular year like he had last year, and either play in the Superbowl or win it(preferably win it), he will be look at as one of the best QBs playing the game today. But there's noway Brees will be look at as the number 1 Qb, that distinction when it's all said and done will belong to our New Orleans native Payton Manning. When Payton is done he will probably own every meaningful QB record in the NFL, and now that he have that elusive ring he can do no wrong, now don't misunderstand what I'm saying, I think if Brees can stay healthy, consistent, and in Coach Payton system for about five years with the weapons we have, Brees will no doubt be one the best in the business, even over taking Brady, but Manning is going to set that bar pretty high. You said Marino lives in Elway's shadow, but Elway will always live in the shadow of no other than Joe Montana. Payton is this generations Montana, I'm not saying he's Montana but every generation have a Montana, Elway, and a Marino, and Payton, Brady, Brees, and Palmer are the guys leading the pack. Between Brees, Brady, and Palmer, the Elway I think will be Brees, winner of multiple Championships(hopefully), but always living in that Payton shadow.
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06-23-2007, 06:40 AM	#4
bobcat4u2 Registered Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 71	The reason elway was in montana's shadow was joe's clutch performance's in playoff's and sb's.If drew or anyone else matches that,they will becme the leader over manning or anyone else in their generation
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06-23-2007, 07:22 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Originally Posted by bobcat4u2 The reason elway was in montana's shadow was joe's clutch performance's in playoff's and sb's.If drew or anyone else matches that,they will becme the leader over manning or anyone else in their generation Drew will be loved thats for sure. Manning is loved and repect for completely different reasons than the ones listed here. He actually put his body one the line for team. Really! He had his chances to leave but kept signing back on with the saints and the fans. He got killed out there year in and year out. Kept coming back for more. The saints dumped all over him and sent him to the oilers of all teams after all he had done for us. This made him even more of a icon for the fan. We the fans feel we owe Him alot of extra love because of what he gave to US, THE FANS. Sorry until someone else sacrifices as much as Archie did for this team he will never be replaced. A close second maybe but never above him. Archie stands for more than just wins and looses.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

06-23-2007, 07:40 AM	#6
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Originally Posted by hagan714 Drew will be loved thats for sure. Manning is loved and repect for completely different reasons than the ones listed here. He actually put his body one the line for team. Really! He had his chances to leave but kept signing back on with the saints and the fans. He got killed out there year in and year out. Kept coming back for more. The saints dumped all over him and sent him to the oilers of all teams after all he had done for us. This made him even more of a icon for the fan. We the fans feel we owe Him alot of extra love because of what he gave to US, THE FANS. Sorry until someone else sacrifices as much as Archie did for this team he will never be replaced. A close second maybe but never above him. Archie stands for more than just wins and looses. Perfectly said Hag! No one will be greater than Archie. If you were not alive to see him play you may not understand the true reason for the love for Archie that older fans have for him. I know I cried the day my mom threw my Archie jersey away (because I had worn it slap out). I still have my black and white photo of me (age 8, no BS) and Archie. Don't get me wrong, with one year under Drew's belt he has become "The Saints", but he will never be Archie. That's why Drew's number is 9. (figuretively)
	"We are number one. All others are number two, or lower." -The Sphinx http://blackandgold.com/groups/28-ou...tsman-s-corner

06-21-2007, 08:14 AM	#2
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	I believe that if Brees has just as good a season as last year and we go on to win the Superbowl(That is a stipulation) He WILL be seen as the number one QB in the league, just because he would have gotten the ring. Manning was always seen as number two to Tom Brady because he didn't have a ring, and now he stepped up one slot in that ladder. Does it mean he wasn't better than Brady? NO! it just means the criteria for being a number ONE QB is a superbowl ring. Ask Marino. He will forever live in Elway's shadow.

06-23-2007, 08:14 PM	#7
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	It was a discussion between Payton and Drew, no one on this forum will ever question the place in glory that Archie hold in Saints history and our hearts. But you can't tell me if Drew win about three Superbowl's he won't be on that same pedestal as Archie, trust me guys Drew would become the bench mark for every other QB to follow, like Sean Payton will become the bench mark for all coaches who follow him. When we talk about defenses we always compare them to the DOME PATROL and rightfully so, if Brees win one Superbowl in a New Orleans uniform, every QB that comes through here will be compared to Drew hands down. Archie will forever be loved and respected for what he meant to the team, the fans, the community, and the whole Gulf Region, but if Drew gets that ring, he would be worship like a god.
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06-21-2007, 08:25 AM	#8
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by blacksaint I posted this mainly for a couple of reasons; first, look at Drew Brees numbers specifically 19 wins, 7.58 Yds/Att, .644 Pct., 7,994 Yards, +24 TD/INT, Intangibles 9, and age 28. Now look at Brady and Manning's numbers, compare all three QB'S and if you want to point at one main reason the Saints will soon win the Superbowl, it's having one of the best QBs in the league. Throw in Palmer, Bulger, and Hasselbeck, Drew Brees still ranks as the third best QB in the league, ranking higher than Palmer IMO, because he carried his team to Conference Championship Game. Second, what makes this special is those numbers are for the last two years combined. What people tend to over look is the fact that Drew Brees accumulated those numbers with two different teams a situation none of the other top five QBs had to endure. Brees being so young 28, and with a coach who trust and believes in him, I think he's destined someday to be named number 1 QB in the league, MVP, and Superbowl Champion. Couldn't agree more. When Drew first came into the league, I was sceptical mainly because he wasn't playing well (duh). After his last season with SD he proved a lot of doubters wrong, including me. When I heard the news the Saints had picked him up I remember telling my buddy "Finally, we've got a real QB."