Oliver blows it / Neb OT Patrick does not

wheelman · 06-22-2007, 07:24 PM

The only thing that held Calvin Johnson to 13 yards was Reggie Ball being a crappy quarterback.

saintswhodi · 06-24-2007, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

If this guy didn't know he was going to workout for the scouts in advance i'm not sure i'd want him. It doesn't say much about his work ethic or he's just to stupid to care. The guy flunked out months ago, surely he knew he had to do something? He doesn't sound like a Payton kind of guy to me!

It doesn't matter when he flunked out really. Maybe there was procedures for him to attempt to get back in school, or an attempt to see if he could do summer school to make up the grades. He and his agent know he would lose money going in the supplemental as opposed to the regular draft. Millions of dollars. So it had to be a last resprt. What matters is when he declared for the supplemental, and going from that point. But I still think there's no way he could have been able to do a "combine type" ramp up before this workout, unlike players who did work out at the combine. I'd take my chances with him under Payton. I haven't seen anything that says he isn't a Payton kind of guy on the field.

Euphoria · 06-24-2007, 08:08 PM

This guy didn't apply himself to his grades, didn't apply himself to working out and being ready to impress the scouts. Am I suppose to believe he is going to apply himself each and every week to be a team player and win games for us??? The only way I see the Saints getting him is to give a first rounder next year... someone before us in the second will snag him perhpas and I think even a second maybe to much to give up. 3rd???

saintswhodi · 06-25-2007, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

This guy didn't apply himself to his grades, didn't apply himself to working out and being ready to impress the scouts. Am I suppose to believe he is going to apply himself each and every week to be a team player and win games for us??? The only way I see the Saints getting him is to give a first rounder next year... someone before us in the second will snag him perhpas and I think even a second maybe to much to give up. 3rd???

Obviously he did apply himself to his grades, cause, ya know, he would have been a senior. Maybe he had some personal issues or maybe school just wasn't for him. Not every football player, and surprisingly few, are Rhodes scholars or academic all americans. He is a good football player and hasn't gotten in trouble off the field.

As far as applying himself to work out, Mike Mamula applied himself to work out. How'd that do for him? Colston didn't have the most impressive workouts either and he was projected as a TE in the NFL, how'd that work out. Again, work outs are a sample to look at, but what you do on the field is far more impressive. The kid can obviously play.

Last, we are not gonna give up a first rounder for him. If that's what it takes, we don't get him. But obviously if you feel SOMEONE will give up a second for him, then SOMEONE must think he can play in the league cause supplemental picks usually do not garner 2nd rounders.

Euphoria · 06-25-2007, 12:45 PM

Hey I work out to but its not working for me to get into the NFL. There are a lot of teams looking at him, teams look at everyone just to see now-a-days. Even the Pats of stirred some interest. Realistically where we sit/projected draft position isn't that great, giving up a 1 or 2 is to much. Will another team offer that??? I'd say some teams may give up a 3rd for him at best and that will still leave us out. The question you have to ask yourself... "is he worth a first or second"?

saintswhodi · 06-25-2007, 01:43 PM

I'd give up a second, but not a first. If we can't get him for a second, then more power to whomever drafts him.

saintsfan1313 · 06-25-2007, 01:59 PM

from what i understand, the supplemental draft is kinda like ebay....theres no bidding for him....we say what pick we would give for him, and at the end of the day, whoever has the lower pick, ges him. Like a secret ballot

Euphoria · 06-25-2007, 02:23 PM

You're almost exactly right. Browns bid a Second and everyone else bids a 3rd then the Browns get him and they lose the second round pick for next year. Its bidding alright not like a regular draft (you wait your turn and take the player). You're bidding and doing a secret ballot. The one with the lowest bid gets him.

06-22-2007, 07:24 PM	#11
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	The only thing that held Calvin Johnson to 13 yards was Reggie Ball being a crappy quarterback.
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06-24-2007, 11:32 AM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 If this guy didn't know he was going to workout for the scouts in advance i'm not sure i'd want him. It doesn't say much about his work ethic or he's just to stupid to care. The guy flunked out months ago, surely he knew he had to do something? He doesn't sound like a Payton kind of guy to me! It doesn't matter when he flunked out really. Maybe there was procedures for him to attempt to get back in school, or an attempt to see if he could do summer school to make up the grades. He and his agent know he would lose money going in the supplemental as opposed to the regular draft. Millions of dollars. So it had to be a last resprt. What matters is when he declared for the supplemental, and going from that point. But I still think there's no way he could have been able to do a "combine type" ramp up before this workout, unlike players who did work out at the combine. I'd take my chances with him under Payton. I haven't seen anything that says he isn't a Payton kind of guy on the field.

06-25-2007, 09:35 AM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Euphoria This guy didn't apply himself to his grades, didn't apply himself to working out and being ready to impress the scouts. Am I suppose to believe he is going to apply himself each and every week to be a team player and win games for us??? The only way I see the Saints getting him is to give a first rounder next year... someone before us in the second will snag him perhpas and I think even a second maybe to much to give up. 3rd??? Obviously he did apply himself to his grades, cause, ya know, he would have been a senior. Maybe he had some personal issues or maybe school just wasn't for him. Not every football player, and surprisingly few, are Rhodes scholars or academic all americans. He is a good football player and hasn't gotten in trouble off the field. As far as applying himself to work out, Mike Mamula applied himself to work out. How'd that do for him? Colston didn't have the most impressive workouts either and he was projected as a TE in the NFL, how'd that work out. Again, work outs are a sample to look at, but what you do on the field is far more impressive. The kid can obviously play. Last, we are not gonna give up a first rounder for him. If that's what it takes, we don't get him. But obviously if you feel SOMEONE will give up a second for him, then SOMEONE must think he can play in the league cause supplemental picks usually do not garner 2nd rounders.

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06-24-2007, 08:08 PM	#13
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	This guy didn't apply himself to his grades, didn't apply himself to working out and being ready to impress the scouts. Am I suppose to believe he is going to apply himself each and every week to be a team player and win games for us??? The only way I see the Saints getting him is to give a first rounder next year... someone before us in the second will snag him perhpas and I think even a second maybe to much to give up. 3rd???

06-25-2007, 12:45 PM	#15
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Hey I work out to but its not working for me to get into the NFL. There are a lot of teams looking at him, teams look at everyone just to see now-a-days. Even the Pats of stirred some interest. Realistically where we sit/projected draft position isn't that great, giving up a 1 or 2 is to much. Will another team offer that??? I'd say some teams may give up a 3rd for him at best and that will still leave us out. The question you have to ask yourself... "is he worth a first or second"?

06-25-2007, 01:43 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I'd give up a second, but not a first. If we can't get him for a second, then more power to whomever drafts him.

06-25-2007, 01:59 PM	#17
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	from what i understand, the supplemental draft is kinda like ebay....theres no bidding for him....we say what pick we would give for him, and at the end of the day, whoever has the lower pick, ges him. Like a secret ballot

06-25-2007, 02:23 PM	#18
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	You're almost exactly right. Browns bid a Second and everyone else bids a 3rd then the Browns get him and they lose the second round pick for next year. Its bidding alright not like a regular draft (you wait your turn and take the player). You're bidding and doing a secret ballot. The one with the lowest bid gets him.