Mickles: Questions for Saints to answer in preseason

papz · 07-25-2007, 08:37 AM

Considering the fact Young is injured, Clancy will probably start the season off starting next to Thomas. I do agree Young is very underrated and he takes a lot of unwarranted criticism because we have trouble stopping the run. He's always been the scapegoat though he had a very solid season in '06.

TheDeuce · 07-25-2007, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Considering the fact Young is injured, Clancy will probably start the season off starting next to Thomas. I do agree Young is very underrated and he takes a lot of unwarranted criticism because we have trouble stopping the run. He's always been the scapegoat though he had a very solid season in '06.

While I do agree that BY is underrated, I don't know if calling him a scapegoat is exactly correct. I can't honestly say that I know whether or not he does what he's supposed to do on run support, but I do know that he's more of a pass rushing DT while Hollis is more of the run stuffer. So I guess when you look at the rush yardage given up, you gotta point to somebody, and I guess it might as well be Young, who has never been known as a great run stopper. That being said, I want to reiterate that he is underrated, and I assume that mostly comes from him being undersized. I don't think he's squarely to blame for the run support problems, but I wouldn't think it's a crazy idea to say that he has to shoulder some of the blame.

papz · 07-25-2007, 11:14 AM

Exactly... it's a unit as a whole. There's plenty of blame to go around. It's just that for the most part, he's always been pointed out as the weak link on our line... which in turn, makes him the scapegoat.

WhoDat205 · 07-25-2007, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Considering the fact Young is injured, Clancy will probably start the season off starting next to Thomas.

Am I wrong that BY is supposed to be back before TC is over? It seems that he would have plenty of time to get in game condition, no?

I'll be honest, I don't know "diddly-poo" about Clancey, but his stats indicate that he is a solid DT, especially over the last two years. I don't care who starts as long as I don't have to endure another Willie Parker game.

papz · 07-25-2007, 01:23 PM

Yea I believe he's suppose to be back in time... but I'm sure they're going to want to ease him into things so he doesn't hurt himself again. Personally I like the Young and Thomas combo... Clancy is a great rotational guy (solid starter as well). Both Young and Thomas are in their 30's. All three will see a lot of time and I think it's going to be a fair split timewise.

blacksaint · 07-25-2007, 08:02 PM

I had to go back in my thread archives to retrieve this. But I didn't mind it much because Young IMO is the most underrated DT in the NFL.

Bryan Young should have made the Pro Bowl in '06. This is a comparison of the NFC Pro Bowl DT's and Young:

# 93 Kevin Williams
Position: DT
Height: 6-5
Weight: 304----------G-Ttl-Tkl-Ast-Sk-Pd
2006 Minnesota Vikings 16 36 28.0 8 5 6

# 77 Kris Jenkins
Position: DT
Height: 6-4
Weight: 335
2006 Carolina Panthers 16 41 32.0 9 3 1

# 91 Tommie Harris
Position: DT
Height: 6-3
Weight: 300
2006 Chicago Bears 12 28 22.0 6 5 1

# 66 Brian Young
Position: DT
Height: 6-2
Weight: 298
2006 New Orleans Saints 16 46 36.0 10 5.5 1

"With 46 TTLs, he was pretty damn good against the run, 5.5 sks says he is still a damn good pass rusher, so when pointing that proverbial finger point ti at the entire Defense, not at Young."

07-25-2007, 11:01 AM	#2
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Originally Posted by papz Considering the fact Young is injured, Clancy will probably start the season off starting next to Thomas. I do agree Young is very underrated and he takes a lot of unwarranted criticism because we have trouble stopping the run. He's always been the scapegoat though he had a very solid season in '06. While I do agree that BY is underrated, I don't know if calling him a scapegoat is exactly correct. I can't honestly say that I know whether or not he does what he's supposed to do on run support, but I do know that he's more of a pass rushing DT while Hollis is more of the run stuffer. So I guess when you look at the rush yardage given up, you gotta point to somebody, and I guess it might as well be Young, who has never been known as a great run stopper. That being said, I want to reiterate that he is underrated, and I assume that mostly comes from him being undersized. I don't think he's squarely to blame for the run support problems, but I wouldn't think it's a crazy idea to say that he has to shoulder some of the blame.
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07-25-2007, 01:16 PM	#4
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by papz Considering the fact Young is injured, Clancy will probably start the season off starting next to Thomas. Am I wrong that BY is supposed to be back before TC is over? It seems that he would have plenty of time to get in game condition, no? I'll be honest, I don't know "diddly-poo" about Clancey, but his stats indicate that he is a solid DT, especially over the last two years. I don't care who starts as long as I don't have to endure another Willie Parker game.

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blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	I had to go back in my thread archives to retrieve this. But I didn't mind it much because Young IMO is the most underrated DT in the NFL. Bryan Young should have made the Pro Bowl in '06. This is a comparison of the NFC Pro Bowl DT's and Young: # 93 Kevin Williams Position: DT Height: 6-5 Weight: 304----------G-Ttl-Tkl-Ast-Sk-Pd 2006 Minnesota Vikings 16 36 28.0 8 5 6 # 77 Kris Jenkins Position: DT Height: 6-4 Weight: 335 2006 Carolina Panthers 16 41 32.0 9 3 1 # 91 Tommie Harris Position: DT Height: 6-3 Weight: 300 2006 Chicago Bears 12 28 22.0 6 5 1 # 66 Brian Young Position: DT Height: 6-2 Weight: 298 2006 New Orleans Saints 16 46 36.0 10 5.5 1 "With 46 TTLs, he was pretty damn good against the run, 5.5 sks says he is still a damn good pass rusher, so when pointing that proverbial finger point ti at the entire Defense, not at Young."
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07-25-2007, 08:37 AM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Considering the fact Young is injured, Clancy will probably start the season off starting next to Thomas. I do agree Young is very underrated and he takes a lot of unwarranted criticism because we have trouble stopping the run. He's always been the scapegoat though he had a very solid season in '06.

07-25-2007, 11:14 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Exactly... it's a unit as a whole. There's plenty of blame to go around. It's just that for the most part, he's always been pointed out as the weak link on our line... which in turn, makes him the scapegoat.

07-25-2007, 01:23 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Yea I believe he's suppose to be back in time... but I'm sure they're going to want to ease him into things so he doesn't hurt himself again. Personally I like the Young and Thomas combo... Clancy is a great rotational guy (solid starter as well). Both Young and Thomas are in their 30's. All three will see a lot of time and I think it's going to be a fair split timewise.