Jame Martin...
 

After Jamie Martin left the game I heard one of the commentators saying "Well Jamie Martin certainly proved he deserves the #2 spot tonight," and then the other one agreed. I'm sorry, maybe I was watching a completely different game than those commentators were. Is there something I missed?

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I did not see the game, but 14-19 for 139 is respectable

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i didnt get to see the game either... what was wrong with him dan?

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I didn't see the game either, but I saw the box score... he fumbled thrice times.

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well i heard when one of them happened on the radio and from what i could tell... he had no blocking on that play, he just got killed right from the get-go...

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yep. I bet you he is wishing he had a younger body and Legs. he got pounded. But still gotta hold on to the ball.
He still holds on to ball to long. At the 3 count he seems to be still on his secondary read. By 5 he is only to the 2nd WR read. At 7 he is starting to go to the check down but it is to late. Hammered. He seems to be 2 seconds to slow. Reps needed maybe?

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while palko could eventually become another steve young, is'nt kurt warner looking good?
still wish the saints could have gotten him.....................

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anyone see the other two, i know the first thing i saw in the box score was martin's fumbles 3 of them, and 3 lost.

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So far I've only seen the first half, but it looks to me like Martin is holding the ball too long. If the comparison is Brees for how the offense should look, then Martin looks a little less sure about where to go with the ball. That gives the defense more time to get to him.

Martin looked pretty sharp his first drive or two, but the longer he was in the worse he got. Without seeing any of the other backups playing with the starters it is hard to tell how well Martin did in comparison to them.

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He's slow and doesnt' have enough arm strength anymore. At least he has experience going for him. If Drew goes down, give him one game and put in the rookies.

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Martin has no pocket presence. It's something that I've noticed before from him. He's a turnover waiting to happen, and doesn't have the mobility to compensate for it. At 37, he's not going to develop pocket presence. At Pittsburg he got several passes batted down because he can't make that little sidestep to get the ball off. I see Brees do it all of the time, I even saw Fife do it vs Pitt. Tonight, he held the ball and didn't feel the rush, AND didn't protect the ball when he was hit.

BTW, he only lost 1 of his 3 fumbles. Fact is, he looked really bad, at least to my eyes. I venture to say he looks like the worst QB on our roster.

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At least others are starting to see what I have been talking about. If Sean is keeping him around as a favor, this has got to be the very last year of him before he should retire. He should go ahead and retire today! Let Fife and Palko have there shot, I'd rather keep these guys and let them develop instead of letting them develop and be someone elses gem in the rough.

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God forbid, but if something happened to Drew, I would rather have a vet like Martin than a couple of guys that never been through it before. Martin have won games in the NFL, I'm not going to judge him on a few preseason games, those turnovers concern me a lot but, he's definitely the best of the backups.

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The problem with Martin is he holds the ball too long and doesn't know how to get away from tacklers. In a fast-paced offense like the Saints, sitting there holding onto the ball until someone is WIDE open doesn't work. In fact, there were even times when our receivers were pretty open (I wouldn't quite say WIDE open) and he still just held onto it. It's like he just can't decide who he wants to throw it to. If he gets hit, he fumbles it everytime. And when you hold onto the ball for that long, you get hit. Not only does he hold onto the ball too long, but he just sits in the same spot. He doesn't move, he has no pocket presence.

Then there was the play where Reggie Bush was WIDE open only open field behind him. It was probably about a 10-15 yard pass and Martin throws it about 5 feet (I might be being a little generous on that 5 feet) behind him. Dude, that would have been a touchdown. Yes, looking at the stats and not watching the game, Martin looked alright. But then look at Matt Baker's stats. The kid only had 1 possession in the game where as Martin played more than half of the game. And Baker's stats weren't too far off from Martin's. Not to mention he moved around in the pocket, even ran out of the pocket away from tacklers when he had to, and then would even tuck the ball away and run for however many yards he could get.

You can talk about Jamie Martin's experience as a vet all you want, but I think last night this Baker kid looked more experienced than Martin did. If Drew Brees does go down, do we really want to sacrifice wins for experience? I don't.

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You an I are fishing out of the same pond BlackSaint.
I said in another post that I too would love to have a vetran QB behind Drew instead of a rookie QB.

http://blackandgold.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: Final 53
"I think having a veteran backup QB is important in the NFL, God forbid something were to happen to Brees I'd feel a lot better with Martin out there than a rookie QB going into the playoffs.
I will say though that this will be Martin's last season with us."

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It's still the preseason, Baker played during mop up time.

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i can save everyone some time ...Martin is terrible, every time I have seen him, whether pre-season or reg. season(last game, last year).

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When you take in account that he played against Carolina starters with our backups, he really did a decent job. Just check out his numbers:

2006 stats:
Comp_Att_Pct_Yds_Avg_Tds_Ints_Sck_Rate_Fum_Lost
__16_24_66.7_208_8.7__1___1___5___90.3__3___1

Weather you believe in him or not, he's the best option we have on the roster at this time. Could we do better? Hell yes, we can. But for right now he's the best backup QB. Now, I am very concern about the fumbling, very concerned.

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I understand that, but the point is he was making dead on throws alot of pressure on him and hands in his face. Martin could not do that. He got away from would-be tacklers. Martin could not do that. He got rid of the ball quick. Martin could not do that. Whether it was the 2nd string or the 3rd string they were playing against, the Bengals defensive line still dominated our offensive line, and their pass defense was no better or worse. Coverage was just as tight when Martin was in as it was when Baker was in. And the "It's only the preseason" excuse doesn't work here. The preseason is the only chance these guys have to prove themselves worthy of making the team, and Martin didn't do it.

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i think we still need martin for now, like the look of palko for the future. god forbid anything happens to the most important player on this team, brees. if brees goes down for any real significant amount of time we are in trouble. not many teams could lose their starting qb, one on the level drew is, and not be in trouble. just the way it is. who the heck wants kurt warner. talk about fumble problems. the guy starts looking at his hand as if he doesnt know what the hell is a matter with it.

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Jamie Martin = Bobby Scott

You long time Saint fans know who I'm talking about.

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hey, if you don't like martin as a veteran backup, I hear a guy named Brooks is still available

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I watched Yesterday's game 3 times today. Jamie Martin is not a good QB. I think palko is better because he's a playmaker. Our defense isn't good enough for a "busdriver" type QB that tends to fumble when contacted. We need a QB thats not afaid to make plays.

BlackSaint...I remember watching that carolina game and thinking...This Kat Sucks!

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I read today that the speculation is that if something serious happened to Brees, Payton would bring in one of the old vets that are still available and make him the starter. I think Martin might be the 1 or 2 game plan, but if it went longer, then Payton would sign someone he knows, and still has a little gas in the tank...

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...namely, Drew Bledsoe.

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I am not too thrilled about Martin either. He's a career back up and he's 37. The pass to Bush was extremely horrible. Not only was it a few feet behind him, but it was pretty low too. The fumbles weren't pleasing and I know at least one could have been prevented just by protecting the ball when he felt pressure. He has no arm strength what so ever.

I liked some of the things I seen out of Matt Baker. The first series he was in, they blitzed the hell out of him and couldn't get nothing going. Pittman seems to have a problem picking up blitzes. The second and final series he had a 17 play drive which in itself was impressive, but only came away with a field goal. That's not bad considering how long he's been here. I liked what I seen out of the kid.

What I would do is keep two young backups for QB's. If Brees goes down, our season is over anyways so why not have two guys you can coach up and hope one of them works out for the future? I guess I am not sold by any means on Martin, never was.

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Bobby Scott . . . career back-up behind Arch. Finally got to play when Arch broke his arm in '76. I won a game jersey of his in a raffle that year. (I know, I know, . . . WOO-HOO!)

As far as Martin goes, yes he got pounded due to missed blocking assignments (RB fault). Holding the ball too long really didn't come into play because it was 1, 2, BAM! But he does hold the ball too long, running a couple seconds behind in his checks. The Carolina game last year (our 2nd teamers against 1st team defense) was a good example. Sure he got nailed a couple times because of missed blocks, but he has always been a couple seconds late, too.

Truth is, we're done if Brees goes down. If, God forbid, it happens, then Martin goes in for a couple of games. Two games is all he'll get and Payton will pull him for (a.) another veteren brought in gets in (i.e. Bledsoe) after getting a couple of weeks of practice or (b.) Palko makes his debut. None of it will be a pretty sight.

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He seemed to do well, when not being hit.

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my my how the times have changed... I remember opting out on 2004 season tickets because I was so fed up with AB. Now fastforward to 2007 and we`re wondering who will be the back-up to our pro-bowl QB. What a great dilemma to have.

I have complete and total faith that at the end of preseason Payton will weigh the talent at the #2 QB position and make the best decision for the continued success of the team. If Martin lands the #2 QB job it will be because he`s the best option, not because Payton`s heart bleeds for ageing players.

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Enough Bobby Scott bashing. No backup, in the history of the NFL, ever held a clip board better than him.

Right now we are stuck, unless we get a VET backup in here. Are we really ready to bite the bullet and dump him and go with rookies as back up? He did not play with the first team line again. Alot of them were held out of the game. I am impressed with roation of the second string line. They did good. Not great but good.
He has problems but he has yet taken the field with the first team OL. He will never be Drew and non of his back up have shown they can do his job against a first unit deffense either.
One more year and he is a FA and it is a safe bet he will not return. So watch the backups to him and lets see what we got for next year. I like what I have seen so far. They all can take a beating and do not shy away. #3 and #4 are going to be tuff calls.

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After reading all of your posts, let me throw out a couple of observations. First of all Drew Bledsoe is not a good credible option, he holds the ball way too long also. He was getting killed in Dallas b/c of that and a lousy OL. Bledsoe absolutely sucks. Jamie Martin may not be the best option for a back up but I have seen him play well for the Rams and if hes playing with our starters I think he can manage the game and not lose it for us. So if he has any gas left in the tank I think he'll be ok for a game or two in relief of Bree's.

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I'd honestly prefer Bledsoe at this point. I've seen enough of Martin. We know Bledsoe is a statue, but at least our weapons should provide quick outlets for him in a pinch. I don't think Martin can hold up when it gets too hot in the kitchen, and make good decisions anymore. I don't know if he'll even see most of the blitzers during reg season games. I was shot down for hollerin Carr or Joey, during the offseason, but I'd stilll take them. I wonder what the Faiders' plans are for Walter. He's a big, strong armed youngster. What about Orton from the Bears? Let's make a deal?

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I thought he looked awful. Even if you discount the Aaron Brooks-like fumblitis, holding the ball far too long - his passes still look like wounded ducks. If we actually have to start him - we're done.

I really think he's awful.

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Please, not Bledsoe!!!!!!!!

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Wait a minute - Martin fumbled as he was getting pounded by the defense. Not as he was pumping the ball or just holding the ball looking downfield, ala Aaron Brooks. Don't put the AB stink on Martin.